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[Montegriffo]

Sure it helps a little to be on during a competition,

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[StCapps]

Not enough to make the difference between a gold medal and being a silver medalist, especially when everyone else is on the same shit except MAYBE one dude. Being in good shape on competition day helps too, and more so than starting a steroid cycle on competition day, yet they don't ban that now do they?

Therefore Ben Johnson should keep his gold medal and you should quit acting morally outraged about something you know fuck all about. Same goes with Lance Armstrong and his Tour de France titles. This stripping people because they were on good supplements shit, that's just ignorant lashing out by armchair wannabe jocks and butthurt competitiors, who want to act like they are better because they either didn't do PEDs (less likely) or didn't get caught doing them (more likely). Y'all can take your sanctimonious bullshit and shove it up your asses, and do some research on PEDs while you're at it, then you might look a little less ridiculous in discussions related to them with anyone half way knowledgeable.

If your ban and punishment regiment actually delivered as advertised on reducing the problems caused by PED use in sports, as you see them anyway, then you'd have a reason to promote it, but it even come close to doing that and yet you persist. Why is that? It's time to try something with a much better chance of success, unban and regulate. If they take too much of something to abuse it for short term gains, that would still be illegal but this if you have a trace amount in your blood, like from a tainted, yet perfectly legal supplement that was compromised in some way and yet you did your due diligence on it and still got screwed, yeah that shit needs to go. That helps no one.

Way abnormally high testosterone levels per that athlete's base line readings, that can still be illegal, but the current standards are too stringent and don't adequately allow for people who have naturally higher testosterone levels and these can result in far too many false positives as well. Some people look action figures and never juiced in their lives, other people are too fat and worried about their body image and juice themselves to the gills, that's a thing, don't always judge a book by it's cover. We shouldn't go around banning naturally athletic folks for having naturally high testosterone levels, that's dumb. The athletic governing bodies are too worried about catching "cheaters" for good PR then they are about actually having PED regulation that makes a lick of sense.

[Montegriffo]

The difference between winning the 100m and coming 2nd or 3rd is often measured in 1000ths of a second so any advantage gained by using steroids is in a real sense a game changer.
Whether you accept this or not does not change the fact.
At the end of the day Ben Johnson has done the world of athletics a huge service. After the scandle of his win and susequent disqualification the testing of athletes has reached such a level that most no longer risk using them. The example of the exclusion of Russia from Rio for its state sponsored cheating is also a positive step. Many other sports need to follow the lead set by the Olympics and clean their acts up.

[StCapps]

The difference between winning the 100m and coming 2nd or 3rd is often measured in 1000ths of a second so any advantage gained by using steroids is in a real sense a game changer.
Whether you accept this or not does not change the fact.
At the end of the day Ben Johnson has done the world of athletics a huge service. After the scandle of his win and susequent disqualification the testing of athletes has reached such a level that most no longer risk using them. The example of the exclusion of Russia from Rio for its state sponsored cheating is also a positive step. Many other sports need to follow the lead set by the Olympics and clean their acts up.

No him being a heat bag that was asking to get caught lead to a political backlash that is making sports worse. He did the world of athletics a massive disservice, he riled up the rubes and now their idiotic opinions infest the sporting landscape. I blame the media, politicians, and idiots like you, if y'all could be reasonable and didn't overreact sports would be in a much better place today.

Ben Johnson deserves the dap for breaking the world record and winning the gold medal, not the steroids he was taking, and fuck anyone who thinks otherwise and acts like they know what they are talking about.

[Montegriffo]

Way abnormally high testosterone levels per that athlete's base line readings, that can still be illegal, but the current standards are too stringent and don't adequately allow for people who have naturally higher testosterone levels and these can result in far too many false positives as well. Some people look action figures and never juiced in their lives, other people are too fat and worried about their body image and juice themselves to the gills, that's a thing, don't always judge a book by it's cover. We shouldn't go around banning naturally athletic folks for having naturally high testosterone levels, that's dumb. The athletic governing bodies are too worried about catching "cheaters" for good PR then they are about actually having PED regulation that makes a lick of sense.

You are behind the times, biological passports will address this and could be the ultimate nemesis of doping.
https://qz.com/544935/this-simple-solut ... d-for-all/

From the Incas chewing coca leaves to ancient Olympians chomping opium, humans have used drugs to enhance performance for millennia. It wasn’t until 1928 that the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) decided to ban doping in sports—a profession where “fairness” matters above most other factors.

But a ban only works if the anti-doping agency can detect performance-enhancing drugs. So, instead of ending doping, all the IAAF managed to do is create a never-ending race: The agency creates a reliable test for a certain performance-enhancing drug. Athletes, in turn, look for new drugs that the agency cannot detect. The agency develops new drug tests. And on it goes.

After decades of cat-and-mouse, athletes found what they must have believed to be the ultimate doping agent: their own blood.

To enhance athletic performance with your own blood, you draw blood and store it in a freezer. Your body compensates by creating more blood. Then, months later, just before a competition, you can re-inject the old blood for a boost. As the red blood cell count goes up, so does an athlete’s ability to absorb oxygen. The more oxygen you grab with each breath, the more energy your body is able to burn and the better you are able to perform.

Although the enhancement is small compared to actual drugs, it can be the difference between a gold medal and a silver medal. Best of all, “extra blood” was never something WADA tested for.

But the anti-doping agency wasn’t going to sit by and be fooled. What it came up with in response might be a solution to stop doping once and for all: an athlete biological passport. The idea is to record some biological traits of an athlete through testing done at regular intervals. The biological passport’s partial implementation—recording blood and steroid levels—began in January 2014.

When all necessary biological traits are finally incorporated, WADA will no longer need to worry about finding new methods to detect a drug. It will only have to detect resulting changes in the body. In the case of blood doping, if the athlete’s normal red-blood-cell count is, say, 47%, but then is found to be 51% after a competition, foul play may have been involved.

WADA is confident that the biological passport could even deter genetic changes—the ultimate, ever-lasting enhancement—which are surely coming next. If an athlete inserts a performance-enhancing gene, it will probably leave detectable changes in the body, that would differ from the athlete’s profile in the biological passport.

Plus, if implemented right, the biological passport might even cut out another source of cheating in high level sporting events: corrupt officials. National anti-doping agencies destroying test samples to hide evidence of doping, as has been alleged in the latest case against Russian authorities, would be a less likely scenario.

[Ex-California]

The entire point of sports is to pit humans against each other on a level playing field. If you allow this to become a chemical arms race, then you've lost control of the field. Best chemist wins, rather than individual effort.

Round and round we go.

What's the difference between chemicals and different diets or training regimens?

[Montegriffo]

The entire point of sports is to pit humans against each other on a level playing field. If you allow this to become a chemical arms race, then you've lost control of the field. Best chemist wins, rather than individual effort.

Round and round we go.

What's the difference between chemicals and different diets or training regimens?

1, they can cause health problems.
2, they are against the rules
3, fans stop watching
4, sponsors stop investing

[StCapps]

1, they can cause health problems.

These are overstated. A lot PEDs actually fix more health problems than they cause or exacerbate with proper use.

2, they are against the rules
3, fans stop watching
4, sponsors stop investing

That's because of idiotic humans, making idiotic decisions, based on idiotic reasoning.

It shouldn't be against the rules, it shouldn't negatively effect who watches the sport if the fans know they are taking them or athlete sponsorships, yet it does in a few cases, because of the rubes and their stupid opinions. Like I said the reasons are entirely political for the banning of these drugs, playing on misinformed feelings of rubes, it's not anything that rules should be based on, yet it is because that's just the way of the world. The rubes want their token measures as opposed to real results, because they don't know any better and they think token measures are more likely to solve the problem.

[Ex-California]

The entire point of sports is to pit humans against each other on a level playing field. If you allow this to become a chemical arms race, then you've lost control of the field. Best chemist wins, rather than individual effort.

Round and round we go.

What's the difference between chemicals and different diets or training regimens?

1, they can cause health problems.
2, they are against the rules
3, fans stop watching
4, sponsors stop investing

1. So can training, so can diet
2. If you're not cheating you're not trying
3. Nope, you're flat out wrong. Fans like to see spectacle
4. I'd advise you to take a look at overall sports revenues in the past couple decades

[Ex-California]

This post got buried earlier; can I get thoughts on kids' sports organizations looking at things like pushups or laps for misbehaving as "physical abuse?"

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My son is playing AYSO again this year, and last year I could see some dumb shit like Silent Saturday going on but we didn't volunteer for anything and didn't have to see the true depths of depravity this organization is holding in order to pussify American children. My wife is going to be Team Manager so it required a couple online courses to take. When I read that making kids run laps because of misbehavior in practice is physical punishment I almost lost it. We are so far past common sense here I feel really sorry for the kids and their future

At least they get to keep score this year. That failed miserably in 6U soccer and Kinder football this last year as score wasn't supposed to be kept but the kids did it themselves.

I'm loving his BJJ training though, the coach routinely makes them do laps and pushups if they are misbehaving