THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:10 pm

adwinistrator wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:If this is a 4chan hoax, that's game set and match, Trump would be insulated from all scandal mongering from here on out, Democucks, Media, and IC will have blown themselves up as far as all their faux "investigations" go.
4chan hoax theory is based on sending info to Rick Wilson, who supposedly gave the info to Evan McMullin, who gave it to...

Carl Bernstein learned of this intel in August and forwarded it to the FBI. He says it's by former MI6 investigator doing oppo research.

This is not 4chan bullshit, it's worth discussing the conclusions of the research, but the people discounting this as fake on account of 4chan are making a mistake.
The assertion is that the anon who submitted wild stories to Rick Wilson in November was simply added to the "report." It's not that 4chan anons wrote the whole thing whole cloth.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by apeman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:13 pm

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by adwinistrator » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:21 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
adwinistrator wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:If this is a 4chan hoax, that's game set and match, Trump would be insulated from all scandal mongering from here on out, Democucks, Media, and IC will have blown themselves up as far as all their faux "investigations" go.
4chan hoax theory is based on sending info to Rick Wilson, who supposedly gave the info to Evan McMullin, who gave it to...

Carl Bernstein learned of this intel in August and forwarded it to the FBI. He says it's by former MI6 investigator doing oppo research.

This is not 4chan bullshit, it's worth discussing the conclusions of the research, but the people discounting this as fake on account of 4chan are making a mistake.
The assertion is that the anon who submitted wild stories to Rick Wilson in November was simply added to the "report." It's not that 4chan anons wrote the whole thing whole cloth.
The 35 page document is a compilation of memos, all with dates. The MI6 agent was stating that this blackmail evidence existed much earlier than that.

I think the 4chan trolling is getting misconstrued into having relevance here, where there is none. This MI6 agent was investigating using Russian sources on a lot of these specifics.

What I think the 4chan trolling did accomplish was getting Wilson to pass their telling along to McMullin, who tried to use it in his campaign. There was no crossover here.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:23 pm

I think there is concerning the parts handed over via McMuffin. The golden showers part at least. It's in the archives.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:26 pm

adwinistrator wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:
adwinistrator wrote:
4chan hoax theory is based on sending info to Rick Wilson, who supposedly gave the info to Evan McMullin, who gave it to...

Carl Bernstein learned of this intel in August and forwarded it to the FBI. He says it's by former MI6 investigator doing oppo research.

This is not 4chan bullshit, it's worth discussing the conclusions of the research, but the people discounting this as fake on account of 4chan are making a mistake.
The assertion is that the anon who submitted wild stories to Rick Wilson in November was simply added to the "report." It's not that 4chan anons wrote the whole thing whole cloth.
The 35 page document is a compilation of memos, all with dates. The MI6 agent was stating that this blackmail evidence existed much earlier than that.

I think the 4chan trolling is getting misconstrued into having relevance here, where there is none. This MI6 agent was investigating using Russian sources on a lot of these specifics.

What I think the 4chan trolling did accomplish was getting Wilson to pass their telling along to McMullin, who tried to use it in his campaign. There was no crossover here.
What "MI6 Agent"? There's no evidence that MI6 is involved in this whatsoever. "MI6 Agent!" is quite obviously an attempt to lend credence to something where that is not in any way justified.

Habeas MI6us, I'm not seeing any MI6 here.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by adwinistrator » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:15 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:What "MI6 Agent"? There's no evidence that MI6 is involved in this whatsoever. "MI6 Agent!" is quite obviously an attempt to lend credence to something where that is not in any way justified.

Habeas MI6us, I'm not seeing any MI6 here.
The raw memos on which the synopsis is based were prepared by the former MI6 agent, who was posted in Russia in the 1990s and now runs a private intelligence gathering firm.
CNN - 1/11/2017 - Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him

When this was first reported on near the end of the election, he was characterized more ambiguously.
In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm.
Mother Jones - 10/31/2016 - A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump
according to information obtained from within Russia by a Western intelligence source
Newsweek - 11/4/2016 - WHY VLADIMIR PUTIN’S RUSSIA IS BACKING DONALD TRUMP

And now, there's multiple news outlets narrowing down who the source of this report could be.

Forbes - Could This Be The British Ex-MI6 Agent Behind The Trump FBI Memos?

The Telegraph - Former MI6 officer who produced Donald Trump Russian dossier 'terrified for his safety' and went to ground before name released

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:19 pm

All unfounded media conjecture, if you cannot produce the MI6 Agent then you cannot produce the MI6 Agent, if you accept unfounded media conjecture at face value and then assert "MI6 Agent" thereafter, your judgement is clearly suspect.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by adwinistrator » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:26 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:All unfounded media conjecture, if you cannot produce the MI6 Agent then you cannot produce the MI6 agent, if you accept unfounded media conjecture at face value and then assert "MI6 Agent" thereafter, your judgement is clearly suspect.
That's fine, I don't disagree with your assessment. The author of the memos being a retired MI6 agent was not really pertinent to the point I was making.

Would you conclude the author was a "former western intelligence officer"?

This individual was able to deliver their findings to the FBI, and the FBI subsequently initiated an investigation. They found the intel valid enough to pursue FISA warrants.
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials.
The Guardian - John McCain passes dossier alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts to FBI

edit: The Wall Street Journal is reporting:
A former British intelligence officer who is now a director of a private security-and-investigations firm has been identified as the author of the dossier of unverified allegations about President-elect Donald Trump’s activities and connections in Russia, people familiar with the matter say.
Unnamed sourcing, but the WSJ is comfortable publishing.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:28 pm

The MSM fucking around with these fake news conspiracy theories has been like a little kid playing with fireworks. This time, I think it's going to take some fingers. This one will have consequences for them.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:28 pm

The FBI? Like Comey?