Unite the Right

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:46 pm

Here we can see hedonic adaptation in action.

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:46 pm

MilSpecs wrote:I don't know anyone who paid bills back then who thinks it's the same now. Medical expenses are insanely high now compared to then. Cars too, and their maintenance. Education. Food is cheap now, maybe even cheaper. There were no computers in most people's homes. Bottom line: living on one's own was hard but doable.
No, peoples expectations now might be higher, but those expectations come with higher costs, so for example, cars are astronomically more sophisticated now than in 1975, with exponentially more technology and features, so that's what makes them more expensive, the expense comes from the market demanding much fancier cars, even in relative terms.

Education is only expensive if your expectation is to go to a top school, and those schools have become exponentially fancier, if you're prepared to go to a less fancy school as most people were in the 1970's, then it's not more expensive in inflation adjusted terms.

Computers are dirt cheap in inflation adjusted relative terms, conputers were atronomically more expensive in the 1970's which is why people didn't have them in their homes.

Medical expenses, same-same, people expect much more and much fancier than they did in 1975, mostly pharamceutical related, much more drugs now, much fancier and more sophisticated too.

People can live on their own now, might be hard, but it's doable, they don't have to live in their moms basement, it has simply become more socially acceptable now, whereas in 1975 their parents would have kicked them out fo the house. They only do it because its the path of least resistance, whereas in 1975 it would have been the path of most resistance.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Ex-California » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:50 pm

What President raised a huge army at his own will without the approval of Congress?

What President started a war of choice in violation of every principle of Christian just war teaching?

What President said that he had to violate the Constitution in order to save it?

What President declared the elected legislatures of thirteen States to be “combinations” of criminals that he had to suppress?

What President said he was indifferent to slavery but would use any force necessary to collect taxes?

What President sent combat troops from the battlefield to bombard and occupy New York City?

What President sent the Army to arrest in the middle of the night thousands of private citizens for expressing their opinions? And held them incommunicado in military prisons with total denial of due process of law? And had his soldiers destroy newspaper plants?

What President was the first ruler in the civilized world to make medicine a contraband of war?

What President signed for his cronies special licenses to purchase valuable cotton from an enemy country even though he had forbidden such trade and punished other people for the same practice?

What President refused medical care and food to his own soldiers held by the enemy country?

What President presided over the bombardment and house-by-house destruction of cities and towns that were undefended and not military targets?

What President’s forces deliberately targeted women and children and destroyed their housing, food supply, and private belongings?

What President’s occupying forces engaged in imprisonment, torture, and execution of civilians and seizing them as hostages?

Under what President did the Army have the largest number of criminals, mercenaries, and foreigners?

Who was the first American President to plot the assassination of an opposing head of state?

Who had the least affiliation with Christianity of any American President and blamed God for starting the war over which he presided?

What President voted for and praised a law which forbade black people from settling in his State?

What President said that all black people should be expelled from the United States because they could never be full-fledged citizens?

What President was the first to force citizens to accept as legal money pieces of paper unbacked by gold or silver?

Who was the first President to institute an income tax?

Who was the first President to pile up a national debt too vast to be paid off in a generation?

Who is considered almost universally as the greatest American President, indeed as the greatest American of all times and as a world hero of democracy?
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Xenophon » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:52 pm

California wrote:What President raised a huge army at his own will without the approval of Congress?

What President started a war of choice in violation of every principle of Christian just war teaching?

What President said that he had to violate the Constitution in order to save it?

What President declared the elected legislatures of thirteen States to be “combinations” of criminals that he had to suppress?

What President said he was indifferent to slavery but would use any force necessary to collect taxes?

What President sent combat troops from the battlefield to bombard and occupy New York City?

What President sent the Army to arrest in the middle of the night thousands of private citizens for expressing their opinions? And held them incommunicado in military prisons with total denial of due process of law? And had his soldiers destroy newspaper plants?

What President was the first ruler in the civilized world to make medicine a contraband of war?

What President signed for his cronies special licenses to purchase valuable cotton from an enemy country even though he had forbidden such trade and punished other people for the same practice?

What President refused medical care and food to his own soldiers held by the enemy country?

What President presided over the bombardment and house-by-house destruction of cities and towns that were undefended and not military targets?

What President’s forces deliberately targeted women and children and destroyed their housing, food supply, and private belongings?

What President’s occupying forces engaged in imprisonment, torture, and execution of civilians and seizing them as hostages?

Under what President did the Army have the largest number of criminals, mercenaries, and foreigners?

Who was the first American President to plot the assassination of an opposing head of state?

Who had the least affiliation with Christianity of any American President and blamed God for starting the war over which he presided?

What President voted for and praised a law which forbade black people from settling in his State?

What President said that all black people should be expelled from the United States because they could never be full-fledged citizens?

What President was the first to force citizens to accept as legal money pieces of paper unbacked by gold or silver?

Who was the first President to institute an income tax?

Who was the first President to pile up a national debt too vast to be paid off in a generation?

Who is considered almost universally as the greatest American President, indeed as the greatest American of all times and as a world hero of democracy?
Ooh ooh! I know this one.

That's Old Abe.

Where's mah gibs?

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:56 pm

Xenophon wrote:
Where's mah gibs?

You won a free trip to fabulous Liberia 2!

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by MilSpecs » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:57 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
MilSpecs wrote:I don't know anyone who paid bills back then who thinks it's the same now. Medical expenses are insanely high now compared to then. Cars too, and their maintenance. Education. Food is cheap now, maybe even cheaper. There were no computers in most people's homes. Bottom line: living on one's own was hard but doable.
No, peoples expectations now might be higher, but those expectations come with higher costs, so for example, cars are astronomically more sophisticated now than in 1975, with exponentially more technology and features, so that's what makes them more expensive, the expense comes from the market demanding much fancier cars.

Education is only expensive if your expectation is to go to a top school, and those schools have become exponentially fancier, if you're prepared to go to a less fancy school as most people were in the 1970's, then it's not more expensive in inflation adjusted terms.

Computers are dirt cheap in inflation adjusted relative terms, conputers were atronomically more expensive in the 1970's which is why people didn't have them in their homes.

People can live on their own now, might be hard, but it's doable, they don't have to live in ther moms basement, it has simply become more socially acceptable now, whereas in 1975 their parents would have kicked them out fo the house.
My expectations are certainly higher, but pragmatists consider the bottom line. I couldn't get a running car today for the adjusted dollars now. I couldn't pay rent. I couldn't pay off an operation and a hospital stay, that's certain.

You guys are some privileged snowflakes around here. Where the hell is diatribalist? ;)
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Xenophon » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:01 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Xenophon wrote:
Where's mah gibs?

You won a free trip to fabulous Liberia 2!

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...who's the president?

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:02 pm

Xenophon wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Xenophon wrote:
Where's mah gibs?

You won a free trip to fabulous Liberia 2!

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...who's the president?

TBA

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Xenophon » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:03 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Xenophon wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

You won a free trip to fabulous Liberia 2!

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...who's the president?

TBA
Musonius, I hope.

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:03 pm

By that I mean TBA the guy who runs the local militia.

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