THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

Smitty, do you have any insight on how these agencies interact with the military brass?

CIA? They have an intense Interagency rivalry with the Pentagon, the Pentagon is ever out to eat their lunch and drink their milkshake, CIA is in a constant struggle to defend its turf from NSA, DIA, NRO, JSOC, etc

I'm quite sure, as you've eluded to, that they don't like Gen. Flynn being in a position of such influence, as ex-JSOC intel director and DIA man, and being a verified rogue element therein.

Is there overlap between DIA and CIA?? Would the CIA acquiring influence over the DIA be in fact an attempt to control Military Intel?

When I picture CIA I picture all-around intel agency. Collect, coerce, prevent...When I picture DIA I imagine satellite imagery analysis.

The DIA is the Pentagon's own version of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence, while JSOC is the Pentagon's own version of the CIA's Directorate of Operations, between DIA and JSOC, the Pentagon has its own CIA.

[Smitty-48]

You know how the Republicans tried to pin Benghazi on Clinton? It wasn't Clinton, it was the Pentagon, they slow walked the response to Benghazi, because the CIA and the PMC's in there, were the competition against JSOC.

CIA/PMC team gets in over their heads has a spectacular failure? See, we told you so; use JSOC.

[kybkh]

CIA? They have an intense Interagency rivalry with the Pentagon, the Pentagon is ever out to eat their lunch and drink their milkshake, CIA is in a constant struggle to defend its turf from NSA, DIA, NRO, JSOC, etc

I'm quite sure, as you've eluded to, that they don't like Gen. Flynn being in a position of such influence, as ex-JSOC intel director and DIA man, and being a verified rogue element therein.

Is there overlap between DIA and CIA?? Would the CIA acquiring influence over the DIA be in fact an attempt to control Military Intel?

When I picture CIA I picture all-around intel agency. Collect, coerce, prevent...When I picture DIA I imagine satellite imagery analysis.

The DIA is the Pentagon's own version of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence, while JSOC is the Pentagon's own version of the CIA's Directorate of Operations, between DIA and JSOC, the Pentagon has its own CIA.

Is the DIA active in foreign ops outside military scope, like fomenting dissonance?

I go back to that WP article talking about what the CIA was asking for in Ukraine and wanting influence over DIA to promote its goals.

I wonder if the DIA was more of your mindset at the time that UA was a bridge to far and the CIA was wanting action. Same in Syria.

Dempsy shot the Syrian War idea to shreads...

"I didn't understand the dynamic inside that country, particularly with regard to the various sects of Islam that fundamentally, on occasion, compete with each other for dominance," he told a hearing in the U.S. Congress.

"I've reflected about that a lot," he said. "I've learned that issues don't exist in isolation. They're always complex," said Dempsey, who has been criticized by Republican Senator John McCain for not pushing harder for military action in Syria.

...Dempsey has warned against setting up a no-fly zone or U.S. intervention that would change the course of the civil war and lead to the collapse of the Syrian government without a clear understanding of what might follow.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-d ... 5920130912

[Smitty-48]

Is the DIA active in foreign ops outside military scope, like fomenting dissonance?

The CIA is split into two parts, the CIA DI is analysis only, they don't do operations in the field, the DIA is the Pentagon's DI, the CIA DO does operations in the field, so that's where the Pentagon wants to eat their lunch using JSOC and its ever expanding mandate.

When JSOC started out, it was just DELTA and DEVGRU, but by now it has expanded to the point of being a National Clandestine Service of the Pentagon's very own, with full access to all the other Pentagon resources which the CIA does not have.

[Speaker to Animals]

DIA is concerned with military intelligence, and intelligence directly applicable to our military operations. CIA does quite a lot of political and economic crap.

DIA will probably eclipse the CIA at some point, if there really does not exist such a thing as Peak Retard, and the CIA can actually get more retarded than passing along a 4chan hoax as legitimate intelligence.

[Smitty-48]

"DIA's intelligence operations extend beyond the zones of combat, and approximately half of its employees serve overseas at hundreds of locations and U.S. Embassies in 140 countries.The agency specializes in collection and analysis of human-source intelligence (HUMINT), both overt and clandestine, while also handling American military-diplomatic relations abroad. DIA concurrently serves as the national manager for the highly technical measurement and signature intelligence (MASINT) and the Defense Department manager for counterintelligence programs."

Between that, and JSOC, the Pentagon can do anything the CIA can do, and the Pentagon's resources dwarf the CIA's, the CIA needs the Pentagon, but the Pentagon doesn't need the CIA.

Bear in mind, the Pentagon has been at war with the CIA, since the CIA was the OSS.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Mighty kind of you to say those nice things about Nathan, there, AP. Now where have I heard talk about beer-soft logs before?

Why do you keep using my first name? Should I be intimidated that you found my Facebook page, douchebag?

I won't use that again, I have no idea who you are and don't want to know. I have no idea what your name is or anything about you. Nathan was a friendly insult I threw at you and Monte the other day from Nathan and Mimsy in Crippled Summer; just like a half-dozen other insults I've thrown at you catass/butt-pirate, &c.

Never heard of it. I'm fine with whatever you want to call me, I just took that as something it wasn't.

**Stand down DEFCON 2. Stand down.**

[kybkh]

Is the DIA active in foreign ops outside military scope, like fomenting dissonance?

The CIA is split into two parts, the CIA DI is analysis only, they don't do operations in the field, the DIA is the Pentagon's DI, the CIA DO does operations in the field, so that's where the Pentagon wants to eat their lunch using JSOC and its ever expanding mandate.

Huh, wonder what I should want?

Giving military more covert green light or an intelligence agency with some military heft.

My feels are CIA is much more incestuous org with nefarious purposes...

[Speaker to Animals]

Pentagon is pretty awful too, dude.

[Smitty-48]

Is the DIA active in foreign ops outside military scope, like fomenting dissonance?

The CIA is split into two parts, the CIA DI is analysis only, they don't do operations in the field, the DIA is the Pentagon's DI, the CIA DO does operations in the field, so that's where the Pentagon wants to eat their lunch using JSOC and its ever expanding mandate.

Huh, wonder what I should want?

Giving military more covert green light or an intelligence agency with some military heft.

My feels are CIA is much more incestuous org with nefarious purposes...

If the Pentagon starts doing the CIA's job, that will taint the Pentagon with the CIA's shit, I personally prefer my soldiers to be my soldiers and my spooks to be my spooks, although, Canada has no offensive espionage agency, there is no Canadian MI6, only a Canadian MI5, all our super covert and offensive stuff, is run through SIGINT/Five Eyes.