Unite the Right

[Okeefenokee]

I mean, get real liberal chicks with nostalgia for an America that never was, white people in the North refuse to even live with blacks now, publicly they're not allowed to express it, but they simply vote with their feet and move away from them, ceding entire cities to them as they flee.

White flight in the north was both a function of racism and sharply rising crime rates, which had much more to do with problems of poverty than race per se. Imo government programs of the time simply concentrated the poverty and thus upped the crime rate.

White people in the north now are dividing by class, not race. This seems to be happening everywhere in the country, but it's interesting how it happens structurally. Gated communities in the south; high property taxes in the north.

She has ventured off the reservation.

[Smitty-48]

I mean, get real liberal chicks with nostalgia for an America that never was, white people in the North refuse to even live with blacks now, publicly they're not allowed to express it, but they simply vote with their feet and move away from them, ceding entire cities to them as they flee.

White flight in the north was both a function of racism and sharply rising crime rates, which had much more to do with problems of poverty than race per se. Imo government programs of the time simply concentrated the poverty and thus upped the crime rate.

White people in the north now are dividing by class, not race. This seems to be happening everywhere in the country, but it's interesting how it happens structurally. Gated communities in the south; high property taxes in the north.

Lower class whites are above blacks in the order of things, nobody wants to live in the trailerpark, and people don't flee if one Barack Obama moves in next door, but when a neighborhood reaches a critical mass of black people, whitey, is outie, off to the suburbs, when the blacks get there, they make new suburbs further out, lower class whites are barely a thing outside of rural communities, and that's way out in Fly Over Country.

[MilSpecs]

Lower class whites are above blacks in the order of things, nobody wants to live in the trailerpark, and people don't flee if one Barack Obama moves in next door, but when a neighborhood reaches a critical mass of black people, whitey, is outie, off to the suburbs, when the blacks get there, they make new suburbs further out, lower class whites are barely a thing outside of rural communities, and that's way out in Fly Over Country.

Oh no they're not, not anymore. Affluence and education are definitely higher on the social scale, especially as the middle class separates into the affluent and the struggling.

[Smitty-48]

Lower class whites are above blacks in the order of things, nobody wants to live in the trailerpark, and people don't flee if one Barack Obama moves in next door, but when a neighborhood reaches a critical mass of black people, whitey, is outie, off to the suburbs, when the blacks get there, they make new suburbs further out, lower class whites are barely a thing outside of rural communities, and that's way out in Fly Over Country.

Oh no they're not, not anymore. Affluence and education are definitely higher on the social scale, especially as the middle class separates into the affluent and the struggling.

The middle class is only struggling when they compare themselves to the affluent, the middle class is not actually struggling in historical terms, nor are they struggling in relation to the blacks, and to find a lower class white person outside of Fly Over Country, you'd have to go to some rare cantonment like South Boston, but really, those people aren't actually white, they're Irish Catholics.

[MilSpecs]

Lower class whites are above blacks in the order of things, nobody wants to live in the trailerpark, and people don't flee if one Barack Obama moves in next door, but when a neighborhood reaches a critical mass of black people, whitey, is outie, off to the suburbs, when the blacks get there, they make new suburbs further out, lower class whites are barely a thing outside of rural communities, and that's way out in Fly Over Country.

Oh no they're not, not anymore. Affluence and education are definitely higher on the social scale, especially as the middle class separates into the affluent and the struggling.

The middle class is only struggling when they compare themselves to the affluent, the middle class is not actually struggling in historical terms, nor are they struggling in relation to the blacks, and to find a lower class white person outside of Fly Over Country, you'd have to go to some rare cantonment like South Boston, but really, those people aren't actually white, they're Irish Catholics.

Historically I wouldn't venture an opinion, but there are plenty of struggling white people all over the northeast, from Maine on down.

[Smitty-48]

Historically I wouldn't venture an opinion, but there are plenty of struggling white people all over the northeast, from Maine on down.

Life is struggle, that doesn't mean they are poorer in relation to any other time in America, even at the peak of the postwar boom which Americans have so much nostalgia for now, the average inflation adjusted household income was almost exactly the same, roughly $51,000 constant dollars, and the poverty rate amongst whites was double what it is now.

[Smitty-48]

You know, Americans were actually relatively much poorer during the recessions in the mid 1970's in the early 1980's, where the average inflation adjusted income actually fell to $47,000 constant dollars, whereas in 2014 it was $53,000 constant dollars, which is right near the all time peak of American inflation adjusted incomes, so on the aggregate, middle class Americans are pretty much as rich now as they have ever been, the abolute all time is only $57,000 constant dollars, so maybe they've noticed a bit of a dip since 2007, but it's hardly been a collapse.

[MilSpecs]

You know, Americans were actually relatively poorer during the recessions in the mid 1970's in the early 1980's, where the average inflation adjusted income actually fell to $47,000 constant dollars, whereas in 2014 it was $53,000 constant dollars, which is right at the all time peak of American inflation adjusted icomes, so on the aggregate, middle class Americans are as rich now as they have ever been.

I would have been ecstatic to make that much in the mid 70s. That said, income is meaningless without cost of living on the other side. It's much more expensive to live now and much harder to move up.

[Smitty-48]

You know, Americans were actually relatively poorer during the recessions in the mid 1970's in the early 1980's, where the average inflation adjusted income actually fell to $47,000 constant dollars, whereas in 2014 it was $53,000 constant dollars, which is right at the all time peak of American inflation adjusted icomes, so on the aggregate, middle class Americans are as rich now as they have ever been.

I would have been ecstatic to make that much in the mid 70s. That said, income is meaningless without cost of living on the other side. It's much more expensive to live now and much harder to move up.

I said inflation adjusted constant dollars, in 1975 dollars, that was $10,000. If you made $10,000 in 1975, that would be like making $47,000 now.

Your assertion that it is much more expensive now is patently false, as not only is inflation massively less now, interest rates are at an all time low, so in relative terms, purchasing power is up not down. As to being harder to move up? Move up to where? You're above where you were there, so you've moved up.

Really you're just sort of fabricating an America that never was, and then comparing an America that isn't, to that.

[MilSpecs]

You know, Americans were actually relatively poorer during the recessions in the mid 1970's in the early 1980's, where the average inflation adjusted income actually fell to $47,000 constant dollars, whereas in 2014 it was $53,000 constant dollars, which is right at the all time peak of American inflation adjusted icomes, so on the aggregate, middle class Americans are as rich now as they have ever been.

I would have been ecstatic to make that much in the mid 70s. That said, income is meaningless without cost of living on the other side. It's much more expensive to live now and much harder to move up.

I said inflation adjusted constant dollars, in 1975 dollars, that was $10,000. If you made $10,000 in 1975, that would be like making $47,000 now.

Your assertion that it is much more expensive now is patently false, as not only is inflation massively less now, interest rates are at an all time low, so in realtive terms, purchasing power is up not down.

Really you're just sort of fabricating an America that never was, and then comparing an America that isn't, to that.

I don't know anyone who paid bills back then who thinks it's the same now. Medical expenses are insanely high now compared to then. Cars too, and their maintenance. Education. Food is cheap now, maybe even cheaper. There were no computers in most people's homes. Bottom line: living on one's own was hard but doable.