Unite the Right

[Smitty-48]

Sure. Show me how blacks proved themselves worth fighting over. I'll wait. See back then people weren't jammed up with pc nonsense. They probably saw what was coming down the line. If the North ever fought with passion against the South it was because they were very pissed off at importing Africans to begin with. And that isn't hate speech that's understandable. Hell, people spend all their money to get away from the ghettos.

The abolitionists also got outmaneuvered by a tiny cabal of elites, they were never fighting for African American citizenship, they were fighting in order to send them all back to Africa and the proverbial "Liberia", they just wanted them out, so they didn't have to compete with them, and because they saw their presence as a wellspring of corruption.

The abolitionists were in fact the biggest white nationalists of them all, they wanted the blacks to be freed, so a white America could be free of them, the actual game plan upon emancipation was supposed to have been ethnic cleansing of the republic so it could be a uniformly white America.

If the bulk of the abolitionists had known going in, that Lincoln was actually going to make them citizens of America, they would have hung him from a tree.

[MilSpecs]

The abolitionists also got outmaneuvered by a tiny cabal of elites, they were never fighting for African American citizenship, they were fighting in order to send them all back to Africa and the proverbial "Liberia", they just wanted them out, so they didn't have to compete with them, and because they saw their presence as a wellspring of corruption.

The abolitionists were in fact the biggest white nationalists of them all, they wanted the blacks to be freed, so a white America could be free of them, the actual game plan upon emancipation was supposed to have been ethnic cleansing of the republic so it could be a uniformly white America.

You probably know that just one faction of the white population believed in the Liberia concept.

[Smitty-48]

The abolitionists also got outmaneuvered by a tiny cabal of elites, they were never fighting for African American citizenship, they were fighting in order to send them all back to Africa and the proverbial "Liberia", they just wanted them out, so they didn't have to compete with them, and because they saw their presence as a wellspring of corruption.

The abolitionists were in fact the biggest white nationalists of them all, they wanted the blacks to be freed, so a white America could be free of them, the actual game plan upon emancipation was supposed to have been ethnic cleansing of the republic so it could be a uniformly white America.

You probably know that just one faction of the white population believed in the Liberia concept.

And that faction of the white population was all of them, except a tiny cabal of patrician elites and academics. Both sides, plenty of abolitionists for an all white America in Dixie as well, they were simply supressed by the planting aristocracy.

You would have had to be a patrician academic elite to even consider the idea that blacks were equal and Americans, that was an entirely elitist position which would have gotten an angry mob to form and hang them from a tree if they had asserted it as the purpose of the war. Nobody ever said that the war was for African citizenship, that was just slipped in at the last moment, by Lincoln and a tiny cabal of elites.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

There's a nice (probably apocryphal) story there too, where Wheeler, very old, has the enemy on the run and turns to his men and says "Come on boys, we got the Yankees on the run!"

Yeah, I pointed that out when Dan gave us his take on the Spanish-American war--hoping he'd include it--he did. It's a great story, the kind you want to be true. Who knows? Joe was gettin' up in years at the time.

[MilSpecs]

I really thought the fact that civil rights for black Americans taking a full century to come about after the civil war would dampen a lot of this fairy tale bullshit about the north being a 21st century land of racial integration in 1865.

The north became a much better place within approx. 50 years, hence the Great Migration. There were relatively enlightened cities before then in the north as well.

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, the whole reason that Reconstruction failed, was that as soon as the public found out that the purpose of the war had been to give Africans American citizenship, the public mood swung violently back in the opposite direction and the Southron Democrats were back in the game.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

You probably know that just one faction of the white population believed in the Liberia concept.

And yet...

[MilSpecs]

The abolitionists also got outmaneuvered by a tiny cabal of elites, they were never fighting for African American citizenship, they were fighting in order to send them all back to Africa and the proverbial "Liberia", they just wanted them out, so they didn't have to compete with them, and because they saw their presence as a wellspring of corruption.

The abolitionists were in fact the biggest white nationalists of them all, they wanted the blacks to be freed, so a white America could be free of them, the actual game plan upon emancipation was supposed to have been ethnic cleansing of the republic so it could be a uniformly white America.

You probably know that just one faction of the white population believed in the Liberia concept.

And that faction of the white population was all of them, except a tiny cabal of patrician elites and academics. Both sides, plenty of abolitionists for an all white America in Dixie as well, they were simply supressed by the planting aristocracy.

All whites in the north wanted all blacks gone?

[Smitty-48]

You probably know that just one faction of the white population believed in the Liberia concept.

And that faction of the white population was all of them, except a tiny cabal of patrician elites and academics. Both sides, plenty of abolitionists for an all white America in Dixie as well, they were simply supressed by the planting aristocracy.

All whites in the north wanted all blacks gone?

The vast majority wanted absolutely nothing to do with them, the masses were white supremacist to the core, Lincoln had in effect lied to them in order to manuever them into a war, once they found out, white supremacy actually intensified rather than abated.

[Speaker to Animals]

You probably know that just one faction of the white population believed in the Liberia concept.

And that faction of the white population was all of them, except a tiny cabal of patrician elites and academics. Both sides, plenty of abolitionists for an all white America in Dixie as well, they were simply supressed by the planting aristocracy.

All whites in the north wanted all blacks gone?

Most.