The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

[K@th]

There's no way to force non white people to stay out of a state. There never will be.

You don't have to do that to achieve a White Ethno State. Non-white people can live in a White Ethno State, there are lots of folks in Quebec who aren't white, what makes you think a White Ethno State can't have any minorities living in it?

How will you prevent minorities from creating a majority in your newly formed white ethno state? Altering the constitution isn't an option. Americans do not need permission to move to other states.

[Speaker to Animals]

America is not nearly as pro-ethno nationalist as StA claims, he is projecting his own beliefs onto others and overestimating how much of the population thinks the way that he does.

Oh, yes it is. It's just currently very anti-white ethno-nationalism.

Most of the racial minorities are ethno-nationalists now, especially the Latinos. But so too are the blacks.

Of those who are not explicitly ethno-nationalist (or will admit to it), most of those guys are pretty heavily invested in the destruction of the white majority. The OP is heavily invested in seeing whites removed from that status, for example.

[StCapps]

How will you prevent minorities from creating a majority in your newly formed white ethno state? Altering the constitution isn't an option. Americans do not need permission to move to other states.

The ethno state gets to control it's own immigration policy, like Quebec. Just add a Notwithstanding Clause to your constitution, or keep the lid on the boiling pot and let the partisan pressure keep building and building. Your culture war stems from too much federal control, and not enough state and local control, if you had more regional control over things like immigration, there would be less to fight over, not more.

[K@th]

How will you prevent minorities from creating a majority in your newly formed white ethno state? Altering the constitution isn't an option. Americans do not need permission to move to other states.

The ethno state gets to control it's own immigration policy, like Quebec. Just add a Notwithstanding Clause to your constitution, or keep the lid on the boiling pot and let the partisan pressure keep building and building.

There will be no notwithstanding clause. You'll have to try harder. It's not going to happen. Try to think realistically.

[StCapps]

There will be no notwithstanding clause. You'll have to try harder. It's not going to happen. Try to think realistically.

That is the best way to get to a properly functioning ethno state within America, and America will become less partisan if you implement a notwithstanding clause, everybody wins.

Y'all might not go for it, sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.

[LVH2]

Let in more white immigrants, let in less non-white immigrants, is one way to delay white's becoming a demographic minority.
/shrugs

Not sure why everyone is jumping to sterilization and deportation as the way to do things, it's like they want some lame strawman to argue against, because otherwise they can't win the argument. Take off the kid gloves and make some real arguments here folks, for once StA has a point about everyone arguing past him, instead of it being the other way around.

This Ethno State Dystopia you all are projecting on StA immigration policy, that's really lame. He just wants a Quebec of his very own, quit pretending he wants Nazi Germany redux.

As far as I can tell, he's the one saying others are calling him a Nazi. But all they are saying is that the goal of maintaining a white majority has some inescapable consequences.

For example, how do you explain to an Asian American that people of their race may not immigrate because there are too many of them, but people of the white race are encouraged to immigrate because there are not enough of them, but this is not racist and their race does not make them less American?

And, as DB pointed out, it raises the question of, "should we use domestic policies to promote white breeding and discourage non-white breeding?" If maintaining a white majority is one of our primary objectives, this seems to be a perfectly legitimate question. DSL won't give his take on it.

As for Latinos, they like the whites as far as I can tell. Argentenians and Brazilians are largely of European descent. Are Argentinians allowed to come here? What about Costa Ricans? What about fare skinned Mexicans vs. Dark skinned?

To answer DSL's question, if Brazil decided they had too many Asians, or any other race, and tried to prevent their number from growing, I would consider that racist.

[StCapps]

As far as I can tell, he's the one saying others are calling him a Nazi. But all they are saying is that the goal of maintaining a white majority has some inescapable consequences.

The problem is people assume these inescapable consequences lead to dystopia, like the SIFCLFs they are.

For example, how do you explain to an Asian American that people of their race may not immigrate because there are too many of them, but people of the white race are encouraged to immigrate because there are not enough of them, but this is not racist and their race does not make them less American?

The same way they do it in Quebec.
/shrugs

To answer DSL's question, if Brazil decided they had too many Asians, or any other race, and tried to prevent their number from growing, I would consider that racist.

Then you don't know what racism is, and you are overly paranoid about racism. Some cultures assimilate better than others, just because a country chooses to acknowledge that and adapt it's immigration quotas accordingly, that doesn't make them racist.

[K@th]

Capps - though I really do appreciate you mentioning Quebec in every post, you have seriously got to quit pretending the United States is anything remotely like Quebec.

hint - maybe just say "something something Quebec all is magical," in your sig line, so you don't have to type it so frequently.

[LVH2]

I don't know which of us isn't facing reality, because I can not predict the future.

All you have to do is read the newspaper. You are lying to yourself because the truth is too horrible for you to accept.
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This is what happens when you live online. Like how you thought there would be an actual civil war if Hillary won.

Most people don't even know what this stuff is. They've never heard of gamergate. They don't care which crooked politician did which crooked thing with Russia. They certainly aren't militant ethno-nationalists and don't even really have the concept.

97% of the time, they are thinking, "oh crap, it's monday." "I wonder if he/she likes me." "What will I have for lunch?" etc.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Capps - though I really do appreciate you mentioning Quebec in every post, you have seriously got to quit pretending the United States is anything remotely like Quebec.

hint - maybe just say "something something Quebec all is magical," in your sig line, so you don't have to type it so frequently.

Not to mention the fact that even if Quebec is an ethno-state (a dubious term at best), it isn't based on race. Anyone can learn french and take mass and hit the ethnic bar. Race is a little different. Ill defined, and you can't conform to it even if you want to, so it is a terrible idea to base laws on it, even if it isn't as bad an idea to base laws on ethnicity.

There is absolutely no reason ever to mention Quebec when searching for an analogous situation to forming a race based ethno-state in the US.