10 illegal alien farm workers arrested in MI

[Fife]

Why won't somebody think of the cows??

[SuburbanFarmer]

It’s exploitative because of the absurd difference in currency value. Unless you want to change that, it’s hardly SLAVERY to allow some poor bastard to pick fruit on a wage that supports his family, when nobody here wants to do it.

Correct that to a wage that would support his family in his own country. Why would you not want to pay a worker from a foreign country working in your country the same wage you'd pay your own citizens? If farm laborerers in the US are ALL supposed to, indeed designed to, work for a pay level that fits a Mexican standard of living, rather than an American one, is it truly that much of a mystery why American citizens don't want to occupy those jobs? Don't enough Americans already work double jobs just to make ends meet? You think that's perfectly OK, because after all, a Mexican - in Mexico - could live really well for the same wage?

If you truly wanted to help that "poor bastard" from Mexico, then pay him what an American ought to be paid for the same job, a wage following the American consumer prices and living standards.

Back up, you two. I never said that this situation is 'perfectly ok'. It's shitty as hell.

My point is, and has always been, that this cannot be solved overnight. The economic impact of suddenly 'turning off the faucet' would destroy a whole hell of a lot of lives.

I object to calling it "slavery", because that's ridiculous. And it does need to change, just slowly.

[Hastur]

It’s exploitative because of the absurd difference in currency value. Unless you want to change that, it’s hardly SLAVERY to allow some poor bastard to pick fruit on a wage that supports his family, when nobody here wants to do it.

Correct that to a wage that would support his family in his own country. Why would you not want to pay a worker from a foreign country working in your country the same wage you'd pay your own citizens? If farm laborerers in the US are ALL supposed to, indeed designed to, work for a pay level that fits a Mexican standard of living, rather than an American one, is it truly that much of a mystery why American citizens don't want to occupy those jobs? Don't enough Americans already work double jobs just to make ends meet? You think that's perfectly OK, because after all, a Mexican - in Mexico - could live really well for the same wage?

If you truly wanted to help that "poor bastard" from Mexico, then pay him what an American ought to be paid for the same job, a wage following the American consumer prices and living standards.

Back up, you two. I never said that this situation is 'perfectly ok'. It's shitty as hell.

My point is, and has always been, that this cannot be solved overnight. The economic impact of suddenly 'turning off the faucet' would destroy a whole hell of a lot of lives.

I object to calling it "slavery", because that's ridiculous. And it does need to change, just slowly.

Just set up a working system for "Guest Workers" and get it regulated and legit. There used to be one, didn't it?

Edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_wor ... ro_Program

Due in large part to the growing opposition by organized labor and welfare groups, the program came to an end in 1964.

figgures

[SuburbanFarmer]

Correct that to a wage that would support his family in his own country. Why would you not want to pay a worker from a foreign country working in your country the same wage you'd pay your own citizens? If farm laborerers in the US are ALL supposed to, indeed designed to, work for a pay level that fits a Mexican standard of living, rather than an American one, is it truly that much of a mystery why American citizens don't want to occupy those jobs? Don't enough Americans already work double jobs just to make ends meet? You think that's perfectly OK, because after all, a Mexican - in Mexico - could live really well for the same wage?

If you truly wanted to help that "poor bastard" from Mexico, then pay him what an American ought to be paid for the same job, a wage following the American consumer prices and living standards.

Back up, you two. I never said that this situation is 'perfectly ok'. It's shitty as hell.

My point is, and has always been, that this cannot be solved overnight. The economic impact of suddenly 'turning off the faucet' would destroy a whole hell of a lot of lives.

I object to calling it "slavery", because that's ridiculous. And it does need to change, just slowly.

Just set up a working system for "Guest Workers" and get it regulated and legit. There used to be one, didn't it?

Yep, but then we adopted this fantasy that Americans were all lined up to work the fields in Arizona for minimum wage.

[Viktorthepirate]

Good soldier, probably. Stone cold killer, nah. Not in the dna. Unless my family was threatened, of course. Then I'd feel very bad that the enemy brought it on themselves.

The black flag suh, no quarter to the violaters of our homes and firesides.

What about the Iraqis and the Afghans tho? Near as I can tell, they never came anywhere near your homes and firesides never mind violated them. Come to think of it, neither did the Vietnamese, Chinese, North Koreans, nor even the Germans actually, I mean, I suppose you could get the Germans on sinking merchant vessels, but you were shipping weapons to the British after all, technically fair game to sink that.

Just quoting gods and generals based of what specs said lol.

[Okeefenokee]

Back up, you two. I never said that this situation is 'perfectly ok'. It's shitty as hell.

My point is, and has always been, that this cannot be solved overnight. The economic impact of suddenly 'turning off the faucet' would destroy a whole hell of a lot of lives.

I object to calling it "slavery", because that's ridiculous. And it does need to change, just slowly.

Just set up a working system for "Guest Workers" and get it regulated and legit. There used to be one, didn't it?

Yep, but then we adopted this fantasy that Americans were all lined up to work the fields in Arizona for minimum wage.

You don't know a fucking thing do you?

Labor unions that tried to organize agricultural workers after World War II targeted the bracero program as a key impediment to improving the wages of domestic farm workers.[45] These unions included the National Farm Laborers Union (NFLU), later called the National Agricultural Workers Union (NAWU), headed by Ernesto Galarza, and the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee (AWOC), AFL-CIO. During his tenure with the Community Service Organization, César Chávez received a grant from the AWOC to organize in Oxnard, California, which culminated in a protest of domestic U.S. agricultural workers of the U.S. Department of Labor's administration of the program.[45] In January 1961, in an effort to publicize the effects of bracero labor on labor standards, the AWOC led a strike of lettuce workers at 18 farms in the Imperial Valley, an agricultural region on the California-Mexico border and a major destination for braceros.[46]

The end of the bracero program in 1964 was followed by the rise to prominence of the United Farm Workers and the subsequent transformation of American migrant labor under the leadership of César Chávez and Gilbert Padilla. Dolores Huerta was also a leader and early organizer of the United Farm Workers. According to Manuel Garcia y Griego, a political scientist and author of The Importation of Mexican Contract Laborers to the United States 1942–1964,[47] the Contract-Labor Program "left an important legacy for the economies, migration patterns, and politics of the United States and Mexico". Griego's article discusses the bargaining position of both countries, arguing that the Mexican government lost all real bargaining-power after 1950.

Then fucks like you started advocating full on illegal farm workers rather than paying what you should for food. Defend this shit some more.

[Kazmyr]

Why won't somebody think of the cows??

Oh, I'm thinking of cows alright...

[Ex-California]

this is how people actually think right now

There's also a lot of room to reduce costs by expediting legalizing anyone who has come to the US. That road goes both ways. If someone's only offense is immigrating to the US illegally (or not), work their butt off and do nothing else wrong, like a good majority of immigrants do, then there's no reason why they shouldn't be granted a visa and contribute to society through legal means. You can't just ignore why many come here. The quicker that process is made, the quicker they contribute to things in society like taxes. otherwise the issue isn't going anywhere.

Yes, lets push the people who came here illegally in front of the line of those who came here legally