Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:10 pm

The deep seated flaw in Martin Hash's socialism, is that somehow if the Big Gov confiscated your inheretence, it would end up going anywhere other than down the sink hole of waste, fraud, abuse, and corporate welfare, but nice try, Comrade Hash.

I wake up every single day, thankful for George W. Bush not confiscating the wealth of my late American grandparents, I think I'm actually going to get a portrait of ol' George Dubbya, and put him in a place of honour here above my desk.
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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:12 pm

Yeah that's really where my mind went. Like yeah, the government will hand it right back out fairly :lol:

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Post by Fife » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:19 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:The deep seated flaw in Martin Hash's socialism, is that somehow if the Big Gov confiscated your inheretence, it would end up going anywhere other than down the sink hole of waste, fraud, abuse, and corporate welfare, but nice try, Comrade Hash.

I wake up every single day, thankful for George W. Bush not confiscating the wealth of my late American grandparents, I think I'm actually going to get a portrait of ol' George Dubbya, and put him in a place of honour here above my desk.
Well, it's just anti-property, standard Marx fare, nothing fancy really.

The inner party members at Airstrip One know so much better than you do about how you should be spending your days and nights.

Even (or especially) you, pensioneer.

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Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:21 pm

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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:23 pm

I think his point was that if you were threatened with confiscation you would choose to give your wealth away instead. ie a billionaire would make 1000 millionaires rather than let the govt get it's hands on it. The flaw is in the fact that super rich people are very good at hiding their wealth, some billionaires have paid no tax at all for nearly 20 years because they are "clever".
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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:25 pm

Fife wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:The deep seated flaw in Martin Hash's socialism, is that somehow if the Big Gov confiscated your inheretence, it would end up going anywhere other than down the sink hole of waste, fraud, abuse, and corporate welfare, but nice try, Comrade Hash.

I wake up every single day, thankful for George W. Bush not confiscating the wealth of my late American grandparents, I think I'm actually going to get a portrait of ol' George Dubbya, and put him in a place of honour here above my desk.
Well, it's just anti-property, standard Marx fare, nothing fancy really.

The inner party members at Airstrip One know so much better than you do about how you should be spending your days and nights.

Even (or especially) you, pensioneer.

:goteam: :drunk:
We don't even have inheretence tax here in ostensibly "socialist" Canada, and good thing for that too, because I'm a double dipper trust fund baby me self, grandparents and father, God bless them.

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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:48 pm

There's no incentive to do great things if the state is going to come along and dissolve your little empire when you die instead of allow you to pass it along intact.

What this would do for the most innovative people is akin to how the left's welfare schemes incentivize total joblessness. For example, a person who is partially disabled is incentivized to not work, since working part-time will not provide them as much income as what the the government will take from their disability benefit when they go to work. While it's totally possible to be reasonable about how much gets taken out when a person gets a part-time job, the government seems to intentionally want to keep people out of the workforce by reducing benefits far more than most people could realistically make up in part-time employment.

When you get into the business of penalizing great success with these kinds of schemes, you create incentives for guys like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos to not build private space programs that have the potential to uplift our entire species, not just our one nation. You create the incentive to do just enough to live comfortably, and then retire, because fuck it, it's not like you can leave anything to your children, and everything you would work your whole life to build will be dissolved anyway.

This is a terrible idea.

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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:02 pm

There it is: you want an aristocratic society & you got it. Be happy.
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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:05 pm

Martin Hash wrote:There it is: you want an aristocratic society & you got it. Be happy.

Err.. no.

I just don't think your solution works the way you think it does.

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Re: Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:16 pm

The choice to which of us is right is left to the reader.

p.s. See how I used both "right" & "left" of ambiguous context in the same sentence? (I should get a cookie.)
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