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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Penner » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:24 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:Did you see Gangs of New York? They put it in the movie.
I thought that Gangs of New York took place in 1846 to 1862 and they depicted the Draft Riots.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:27 pm

Another cynical reason why the Yankees invoked Emancipation in the wake of Antietam Creek, is that the whole point of the Confederate foray into Union territory was to try to convince the British that the Confederacy was a viable alternative partner to the Union for the British Empire, capable of fighting the Yankees to a stand still, trying to entice the British into siding with them against Britains former nemesis who was an inherent threat to British North America, and so the Yankees were trying to appeal to the British in the opposite way, saying "we're joining your Industrialized Anti-Slavery Empire Coalition now, we're the real partners you should be siding with, your interests and our interests have now come into alignment", which, that's what the British thought too.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Ex-California » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:28 pm

Penner wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Did you see Gangs of New York? They put it in the movie.
I thought that Gangs of New York took place in 1846 to 1862 and they depicted the Draft Riots.
You are correct
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Penner » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:29 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Another cynical reason why the Yankees invoked Emancipation in the wake of Antietam Creek, is that the whole point of the Confederate foray into Union territory was to try to convince the British that the Confederacy was a viable alternative partner to the Union for the British Empire, capable of fighting the Yankees to a stand still, trying to entice the British into siding with them against Britains former nemesis who was an inherent threat to British North America, and so the Yankees were trying to appeal to the British in the opposite way, saying "we're joining your Industrialized Anti-Slavery Empire Coalition now, we're the real partners you should be siding with, your interests and our interests have now come into alignment", which, that's what the British thought too.

I really thought that the cynical reason was to keep the British from joining the war and to be the South's allies.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Penner » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:30 pm

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Penner wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Did you see Gangs of New York? They put it in the movie.
I thought that Gangs of New York took place in 1846 to 1862 and they depicted the Draft Riots.
You are correct
Yeah, but Okee is saying that it was some other riot that I never heard of.
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Re: Unite the Right

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Penner wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Did you see Gangs of New York? They put it in the movie.
I thought that Gangs of New York took place in 1846 to 1862 and they depicted the Draft Riots.
It's a movie. They stretch things. They specifically showed the black guy being lynched from a light pole. It wasn't a coincidence. That was a real event about a real person. It's in the reference I posted. Bill the Butcher had several lines about the war to free the darkies.

Why do you think they were attacking black people in their riot against the draft? Does your brain not allow you understand the connection?
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:33 pm

The media complex programs these people really well.

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Penner » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:34 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Penner wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Did you see Gangs of New York? They put it in the movie.
I thought that Gangs of New York took place in 1846 to 1862 and they depicted the Draft Riots.
It's a movie. They stretch things. They specifically showed the black guy being lynched from a light pole. It wasn't a coincidence. That was a real event about a real person. It's in the reference I posted. Bill the Butcher had several lines about the war to free the darkies.

Why do you think they were attacking black people in their riot against the draft? Does your brain not allow you understand the connection?

You were claiming that it was because of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation which it wasn't. The movie showed the Draft Riots of NY.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:35 pm

Penner wrote:I really thought that the cynical reason was to keep the British from joining the war and to be the South's allies.
That's what I just said, see, "the South" was not an entity as far as the British were concerned, post 1833 America was in the camp with Spain and Portugal, the Slaving Empires, which the British had formed an industrialized Anti-Slavery Coalition against, and so America was on the wrong side of the line, but with Emancipation, America was basically saying that they were coming over to the industrialized Anti Slavery Coaltion and so would be Britians de facto allies instead of an adversary, and that's how the British saw it, although, they were never actually keen to get involved in the first place, the Southron's in the end were barking up the wrong tree from the begining, deluding themselves that the British gave a rats ass about Dixie when it was not in any way of British critical interest.

Canadians sided with Dixie, because Canadians were inherent anti-Yankee Loyalist Americans, the Yankees the great menace to the south, but back in London, nobody gave a shit, and they were not at all keen to have to come over and defend Canada from the Yankees, which is what they would have had to do, if they had sided with Dixie.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Penner » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:44 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Penner wrote:I really thought that the cynical reason was to keep the British from joining the war and to be the South's allies.
That's what I just said, see, "the South" was not an entity as far as the British were concerned, post 1833 America was in the camp with Spain and Portugal, the Slaving Empires, which the British had formed an industrialized Anti-Slavery Coalition against, and so America was on the wrong side of the line, but with Emancipation, America was basically saying that they were coming over to the industrialized Anti Slavery Coaltion and so would be Britians de facto allies instead of an adversary, and that's how the British saw it, although, they were never actually keen to get involved in the first place, the Southron's in the end were barking up the wrong tree from the begining, deluding themselves that the British gave a rats ass about Dixie when it was not in any way of British critical interest.

Canadians sided with Dixie, because Canadians were inherent anti-Yankee Loyalist Americans, the Yankees the great menace to the south, but back in London, nobody gave a shit, and they were not at all keen to have to come over and defend Canada from the Yankees, which is what they would have had to do, if they had sided with Dixie.
Canada like Britain didn't really do anything to help the South. They may have allowed them to cross their borders but they also allowed many Union members to cross over to. In other words, Canda didn't act anything other than a neutral country (if you want to call them even a country at the time).
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