Unite the Right

[Speaker to Animals]

Please tell me this is just a meme....

It really was a great car.

[TheReal_ND]

Please tell me this is just a meme....

Nah that's standard fare for him. He always says things like that.

[Penner]

Strategy

Operations

Tactics

Generals operate at the top half of that spectrum.

Indeed, so Lee is the Army Commander, and he also advises the Cabinet on military matters, so he is the bridge between the strategic and operational, at the planning level he is strategic, in the field he's oprational level.

Jackson, Longstreet, Hill, and Anderson, these are the Corps Commanders, that's all operational level, Division Commanders are operational as well, you don't get down to the tactical level until you're into the Regiments and Battalions under the command of Colonels and Lt. Colonels.

So just to give people an example, Lee, on Seminary Ridge, directing the attack against Cemetery Ridge, that's the operation, operational level, Chamberlain, leading the 20th Maine from the Little Round Top down into the ranks of the Confederate troops, that's your tactical level.

if you have figured it out Lee was responsible for losing Gettysburg. After Gettysburg, the South just went down hill from Appromatix Court House where Lee agreed to Grant's term (which was written out by a Union officer of Seneca descent).

[Smitty-48]

Strategy

Operations

Tactics

Generals operate at the top half of that spectrum.

Indeed, so Lee is the Army Commander, and he also advises the Cabinet on military matters, so he is the bridge between the strategic and operational, at the planning level he is strategic, in the field he's oprational level.

Jackson, Longstreet, Hill, and Anderson, these are the Corps Commanders, that's all operational level, Division Commanders are operational as well, you don't get down to the tactical level until you're into the Regiments and Battalions under the command of Colonels and Lt. Colonels.

So just to give people an example, Lee, on Seminary Ridge, directing the attack against Cemetery Ridge, that's the operation, operational level, Chamberlain, leading the 20th Maine from the Little Round Top down into the ranks of the Confederate troops, that's your tactical level.

if you have figured it out Lee was responsible for losing Gettysburg. After Gettysburg, the South just went down hill from Appromatix Court House where Lee agreed to Grant's term (which was written out by a Union officer of Seneca descent).

Oh yes, them Yankees, not only the great lovers of black people, but also Indians. lol.

[Speaker to Animals]

[Penner]

Indeed, so Lee is the Army Commander, and he also advises the Cabinet on military matters, so he is the bridge between the strategic and operational, at the planning level he is strategic, in the field he's oprational level.

Jackson, Longstreet, Hill, and Anderson, these are the Corps Commanders, that's all operational level, Division Commanders are operational as well, you don't get down to the tactical level until you're into the Regiments and Battalions under the command of Colonels and Lt. Colonels.

So just to give people an example, Lee, on Seminary Ridge, directing the attack against Cemetery Ridge, that's the operation, operational level, Chamberlain, leading the 20th Maine from the Little Round Top down into the ranks of the Confederate troops, that's your tactical level.

if you have figured it out Lee was responsible for losing Gettysburg. After Gettysburg, the South just went down hill from Appromatix Court House where Lee agreed to Grant's term (which was written out by a Union officer of Seneca descent).

Oh yes, them Yankees, not only the great lovers of black people, but also Indians. lol.

Like the South or even Canada (from what I have heard), when it comes to its treatment of Indigenous people, is any better. Anyways, I am just pointing out historical facts here. E.S. Parker delivered one of the best lines of the whole war, IMO:

Robert E. Lee wore a puzzled look as he examined the officer’s dark features, then recovered enough to extend his hand and remark, “I am glad to see one real American here.” On that April 9 afternoon, 150 years ago, at the McLean House in Appomattox Court House, Virginia, General Lee was greeting Ely S. Parker, a Seneca Indian who was serving as General Ulysses S. Grant’s secretary. Parker replied with dignity, “We are all Americans.”

http://blog.nyhistory.org/we-are-all-am ... t-house-2/

[Smitty-48]

Like the South or even Canada (from what I have heard), when it comes to its treatment of Indigenous people

Well unlike you, I'm not a revisionist race hustler trying to portray the British Empire as being some sort of benign humanitarian operation to free all the slaves everywhere, I have no liberal white guilt, I embrace my history as it was, not as some sort of Postmodern Cultural Marxist morality play about the opressor and the opressed.

"Vote Yankees 2017, they freed the blacks and the indians!" lol.

That being said, the reality was that the Yankees were such a genocidal threat to the Indians, the Indians had literally sided with the British Empire, not because they didn't fear it, but simply as the lesser of two evils.

As for Canada specifically, you won't find much actual genocidal war against the indegenous people's in the record, certainly there was displacement and oppression, but in terms of actually wiping them out with an army and starving them to death to clear the West? Wasn't actually much of that at all. In our "great war" against Louis Riel and the Metis in 1885, the Metis suffered a whopping 16 dead and 30 wounded, although, yes, we did shoot Louis Riel.

Mind you, by your own doctrine of "them Soutrons got what was coming to them cause they was traitors!", technically Louis Riel and the Metis were attempting the same sort of ostensibly treasonous secession against Canada, although there was no march to sea to burn Manitoba to the ground in our war against the Seceshes.

[katarn]

Please tell me this is just a meme....

Nah that's standard fare for him. He always says things like that.

Satire or sarcasm? If not, that is pretty messed-up.

[Penner]

Like the South or even Canada (from what I have heard), when it comes to its treatment of Indigenous people

Well unlike you, I'm not a revisionist race hustler trying to portray the British Empire as being some sort of benign humanitarian operation to free all the slaves everywhere, I have no liberal white guilt, I embrace my history as it was, not as some sort of Postmodern Cultural Marxist morality play about the opressor and the opressed.

"Vote Yankees 2017, they freed the blacks and the indians!" lol.

That being said, the reality was that the Yankees were such a genocidal threat to the Indians, the Indians had literally sided with the British Empire, not because they didn't fear it, but simply as the lesser of two evils.

As for Canada specifically, you won't find much actual genocidal war against the indegenous people's in the record, certainly there was displacement and oppression, but in terms of actually wiping them out with an army and starving them to death to clear the West? Wasn't actually much of that at all. In our "great war" against Louis Riel and the Metis in 1885, the Metis suffered a whopping 16 dead and 30 wounded, although, yes, we did shoot Louis Riel.

Mind you, by your own doctrine of "them Soutrons got what was coming to them cause they was traitors!", technically Louis Riel and the Metis were attempting the same sort of ostensibly treasonous secession against Canada, although there was no march to sea to burn Manitoba to the ground in our war against the Seceshes.

The South were traitors though during the Civil War. The problem is that even today you get this romanticization of the South as noble and virtuous warriors fighting for "states' rights" is just bullshit created in the aftermath of the war. Lee chose his state over his country and paid the price for it. the other southern states choose their state's interest over their nation and all paid the price for it. It's just after the war they tried to romanticize it and created a bunch of myths that are still prevalent today. Like the myth that the North were the aggressors when in fact South Carolina was the first to lead an attack on Fort Sumter because the wrong person was elected president.

[katarn]

Technically, Lee and Jackson were not brilliant at the tactical level, Generals do not operate at the tactical level, General's function at the operational level, and it was at the operational level were Jackson was certainly brilliant, Lee was not so much brilliant as just a great leader of men, it was actually Longstreet who was the brilliant operator, Jackson was Lee's doer, Longstreet was Lee's thinker, and it was Longstreet in the end who tried his damndest to talk Lee out of charging up Cemetery Ridge, saying that it was a suicide mission, but Lee wouldn't listen.

But you know, Napoleon made the same sort of mistakes, even Bonaparte's screw the pooch sometimes.

True, but Lee showed himself to be pretty cool and tactically adept in the Mexican war.