What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

[Cid]

The electoral college shouldn't revolt. Don't care about anyone's opinion about the man, the EC is bullshit but rules are rules. All of this talk about fixing it or rigging it is horse hockey. Republicans try to get gerrymandering into the presidential election the Democrats get a better boogeyman than a thousand Trumps. Dems will bitch about the EC for a spell, but it won't last. The EC is the linchpin for the duopoly. That goes the parties take away their best safety net, and I don't care how righteous your congressman is none of them are going to sponsor that bill knowing it could pass. Knowing it would fail? Sure, Dems might fire out a couple of those useless efforts before sitting down and giving themselves a sad pat on the shoulder, but that passes and you never get another Clinton at the top of the ticket.

The EC is terrible, hell the fact that they can not vote the way their state tells them is weird. Its a safety net with no purpose except to breed political complacency. And I am a veteren bitcher with regard to this. I don't live in a swing state. I could vote for Yahoo Serious and it would have the same effect as voting for anyone else.

Whatsmore, the EC is really the only reason illegals can affect the election. But this is the tricky bit, and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in 2020. Census taking counts people not citizens. https://www.census.gov/population/appor ... t/faq.html So it'll be very interesting to see how quickly that wall gets built and how fast those deportation trucks move.

[Okeefenokee]

Just so we're clear, neither I nor my friends are submitting job applications to one of the local roofers after all their workers get deported back to central america. They could pay me triple what I'm getting now and it would still be nowhere near enough. Bottom-tier tech work is cheap, but damn air conditioning in the summer and effective breaks when computers need to "recompile" or whatever are nice.

So, when the next big hailstorm comes and punches a hole in your shingles, you can have fun duking it out with your homeowners insurance about having to pay triple to get it replaced than you do now, or just get used to changing the leak bucket every hour when it rains.

Let's all have a round of applause for kerning and his stalwart defense of human trafficking.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Just so we're clear, neither I nor my friends are submitting job applications to one of the local roofers after all their workers get deported back to central america. They could pay me triple what I'm getting now and it would still be nowhere near enough. Bottom-tier tech work is cheap, but damn air conditioning in the summer and effective breaks when computers need to "recompile" or whatever are nice.

So, when the next big hailstorm comes and punches a hole in your shingles, you can have fun duking it out with your homeowners insurance about having to pay triple to get it replaced than you do now, or just get used to changing the leak bucket every hour when it rains.

Let's all have a round of applause for kerning and his stalwart defense of human trafficking.

It was well-stated, and very much the same as my own argument about our food supply. I will eat my words when our trailer-dwelling patriots crowd the fields to pick my produce.

[Okeefenokee]

We know. You've been very clear that you defend human trafficking and taking advantage of of vulnerable people if it means you can get your goods and services for a cheaper price than you could on if you had to pay their actual value.

Roofing and picking vegetables is hard work, and the people who do it should be paid what it's worth to those who need it done, but you've decided against that and instead are in favor of exploiting others to avoid paying what you should be paying for admittedly hard work. You're hypocrites.

[SuburbanFarmer]

We know. You've been very clear that you defend human trafficking and taking advantage of of vulnerable people if it means you can get your goods and services for a cheaper price than you could on if you had to pay their actual value.

Roofing and picking vegetables is hard work, and the people who do it should be paid what it's worth to those who need it done, but you've decided against that and instead are in favor of exploiting others to avoid paying what you should be paying for admittedly hard work. You're hypocrites.

"Human Trafficking" is a strawman, and you know it perfectly well.

I am all for closing the borders, no problem, but DO IT SLOWLY. People simply cannot conceive of the effects of a sudden shutoff of illegal labor to the global economy. Talking about Mad Max scenarios, not 'oh that sucks'.

[Xenophon]

We know. You've been very clear that you defend human trafficking and taking advantage of of vulnerable people if it means you can get your goods and services for a cheaper price than you could on if you had to pay their actual value.

Roofing and picking vegetables is hard work, and the people who do it should be paid what it's worth to those who need it done, but you've decided against that and instead are in favor of exploiting others to avoid paying what you should be paying for admittedly hard work. You're hypocrites.

"Human Trafficking" is a strawman, and you know it perfectly well.

I am all for closing the borders, no problem, but DO IT SLOWLY. People simply cannot conceive of the effects of a sudden shutoff of illegal labor to the global economy. Talking about Mad Max scenarios, not 'oh that sucks'.

People can't conceive of it, but you can? You think that shutting off illegal immigration quickly will turn America into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, eh? You've gone full hysterical panic monkey on this one, Grumps. Your hyperbole isn't frightening anyone. Does that tactic ever work? With adults, I mean.

[SuburbanFarmer]

We know. You've been very clear that you defend human trafficking and taking advantage of of vulnerable people if it means you can get your goods and services for a cheaper price than you could on if you had to pay their actual value.

Roofing and picking vegetables is hard work, and the people who do it should be paid what it's worth to those who need it done, but you've decided against that and instead are in favor of exploiting others to avoid paying what you should be paying for admittedly hard work. You're hypocrites.

"Human Trafficking" is a strawman, and you know it perfectly well.

I am all for closing the borders, no problem, but DO IT SLOWLY. People simply cannot conceive of the effects of a sudden shutoff of illegal labor to the global economy. Talking about Mad Max scenarios, not 'oh that sucks'.

People can't conceive of it, but you can? You think that shutting off illegal immigration quickly will turn America into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, eh? You've gone full hysterical panic monkey on this one, Grumps. Your hyperbole isn't frightening anyone. Does that tactic ever work? With adults, I mean.

I've spelled it out before. I suppose I'll have to do it again, here in HashLand.

Nobody. Nobody wants to climb ladders or hunch over in 90 degree heat to pick fucking oranges. The desperate, inhuman circumstances in the Americas that we've destroyed propel the poor bastards to cross a fucking desert and eat our shit here in the Land of the Free. Employers here have become completely, totally dependant on that flow of workers. There is simply no substitute. Time and again, they've tried to hire Americans, and time and again, they wash out within a week. The alternative would be to pay many times the current wages, which would either bankrupt the farmer, or drive the price of everything through the roof.

So let's picture Dumbass Utopia 2017, where we've magically deported all the evil Mexicans. Most of the grocery store goes away, and you are eating some very expensive bread, or meat. Good times, no big deal, for about 6 months. By then, the US economy has mostly collapsed, as 40-ish% of farmers - those requiring manual labor - have finished desperately trying to sell off their land and equipment before bankruptcy. Can't have that, so we're now basically paying them all to switch to grain production, until the wheels finally fly off the real estate market, and our currency has collapsed.

Meanwhile, the news is filled with Billions - yes, Billions of people beginning to starve across the third world. Russia, China, and Europe simply can't ramp up fast enough to feed them all, and none of them can afford the new $10 loaves of bread that humans now depend on. Obviously, this lasts until the first kid dies, and mass unrest sweeps the world. Huge mobs roam the streets of major cities, looting and burning, and human civilization steps back a long, long way.

But at least America was Great again.

And yes, usually adults are shocked when I lead them through it, and they realize how much the rest of the world depends on our ultra-subsidized, currency-inflated breadbasket. And how much our lives depend on stability in the rest of the world.

[Xenophon]

"Human Trafficking" is a strawman, and you know it perfectly well.

I am all for closing the borders, no problem, but DO IT SLOWLY. People simply cannot conceive of the effects of a sudden shutoff of illegal labor to the global economy. Talking about Mad Max scenarios, not 'oh that sucks'.

People can't conceive of it, but you can? You think that shutting off illegal immigration quickly will turn America into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, eh? You've gone full hysterical panic monkey on this one, Grumps. Your hyperbole isn't frightening anyone. Does that tactic ever work? With adults, I mean.

I've spelled it out before. I suppose I'll have to do it again, here in HashLand.

Nobody. Nobody wants to climb ladders or hunch over in 90 degree heat to pick fucking oranges. The desperate, inhuman circumstances in the Americas that we've destroyed propel the poor bastards to cross a fucking desert and eat our shit here in the Land of the Free. Employers here have become completely, totally dependant on that flow of workers. There is simply no substitute. Time and again, they've tried to hire Americans, and time and again, they wash out within a week. The alternative would be to pay many times the current wages, which would either bankrupt the farmer, or drive the price of everything through the roof.

So let's picture Dumbass Utopia 2017, where we've magically deported all the evil Mexicans. Most of the grocery store goes away, and you are eating some very expensive bread, or meat. Good times, no big deal, for about 6 months. By then, the US economy has mostly collapsed, as 40-ish% of farmers - those requiring manual labor - have finished desperately trying to sell off their land and equipment before bankruptcy. Can't have that, so we're now basically paying them all to switch to grain production, until the wheels finally fly off the real estate market, and our currency has collapsed.

Meanwhile, the news is filled with Billions - yes, Billions of people beginning to starve across the third world. Russia, China, and Europe simply can't ramp up fast enough to feed them all, and none of them can afford the new $10 loaves of bread that humans now depend on. Obviously, this lasts until the first kid dies, and mass unrest sweeps the world. Huge mobs roam the streets of major cities, looting and burning, and human civilization steps back a long, long way.

But at least America was Great again.

And yes, usually adults are shocked when I lead them through it, and they realize how much the rest of the world depends on our ultra-subsidized, currency-inflated breadbasket. And how much our lives depend on stability in the rest of the world.

Where's your research?

[SuburbanFarmer]

You need me to explain supply and demand for you?

[Atherzon]

Whatsmore, the EC is really the only reason illegals can affect the election. But this is the tricky bit, and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in 2020. Census taking counts people not citizens. https://www.census.gov/population/appor ... t/faq.html So it'll be very interesting to see how quickly that wall gets built and how fast those deportation trucks move.

That's a very interesting point that I've never heard discussed. Allowing your cities to become "sanctuaries" increases your representation in Congress and the Electoral College.