North Korea News

[C-Mag]

If I'm Nikki Haley, I'm at the UN asking China what they are going to do, to a lesser degree Russia, they helped this regime for decades

[GloryofGreece]

Meh, casualty predictions.

Heard the same shit twice on 2 Iraq invasions

Exactly, 'member that? GW1?

"10,000 AMERICAN TROOPS WILL BE KILLED!!!"

And you know what? The Iraqi Republican Guard was actually elite. The North Koreans? Not so much.

Out of "1,000,000!!!" North Korean troops, how many are actually, trained, equipped, and ready for war?

That regime wouldn't trust a million man army, most of them don't even have guns.

If the public actually grasped how ramshakle the KPAF was, and how small the actual combat capable component was?

The only question then would be "why the hell would we let this pygmy threaten us with hydrogen bombs, when we could crush them like a bug?"

The North Koreans may be dangerous, because there's no internal restraint, and they are about to acquire operational hydrogen bombs, but in terms of the military infrastructure of the KPAF writ large? It's a Potemkim Village, there's no there there.

The only thing they have, is this nuclear weapons program, they've put all their eggs in this basket, the rest of their military, is a gong show.

If the KPAF actually tried to fight the US military, conventionally? It would be Highway of Death all over again, the war would be stopped because Americans wouldn't be able to stomach the sight of charred KPAF corpses littering the countryside.

The regime would be hard to kill, but its army, not so much, which is why it would never try to use its conventional army, for this regime, it's nukes or bust,

The United States of America, is going allow this Potemkin Village to put American cities under the nuclear knife, because it's afraid of the KPAF?

All the destruction you rained down on the Iraqis, for who again? Kuwait? But when America itself is in nuclear peril? Nuthin?

Jesus H. Christ, you killed 3 million Vietnamese just to keep South Vietnam French, but you won't lift a finger to preempt a nuclear threat to the CONUS.

It's absurd.

Assume we do what your advocating and we "crush" Korea. What will China do next, and what if anything do you base your assumptions on?

[SuburbanFarmer]

You are a little behind the ball, aren't you?

Stories are starting to bubble up that Trump has authorized the assassination of Kim Jong Un.

As expected. The only way out of this shit is to cut the head off.

I thought we covered this some pages back?

Oh, and you know how ya'll are saying just neptune spear Kim Jong Un and presto it all falls to pieces?

Tell you right now, Kim Jong Un is alive and Kim Il Sung is dead, but they still run it like "Respected Generalissimo Kim Il Sung" is the state and Kim Jong Un is just like his little deputy, the cult of the personality still flows from Sung, Un is just his viceroy.

When they have all the kids in the "Children's Union" reciting the brainwashing, all day everday, it's mostly Sung related, not Un. The Kim being dead, really doesn't impede this thing at all actually.

Even if you could neptune spear Un, they'd just put three pictures up on the wall and carry on as if all three were just running things from on high in Juche heaven, the actual power behind this throne is opaque, but it doesn't actually need a Kim to be alive to invoke the Kim 24-7-3-6-5.

Kim Il Sung is like Jesus in the Bible Belt, he's everywhere, he's the main event, Kim Il Sung this and Kim Il Sung that, in comparison Un gets very little play, and these days Kim Jong Il barely gets mentioned at all.

This regime is not a fat kid with a funny haircut, that's just a front, but they would carry on with Kim Il Sung as a cardboard cutout regardless even if Un was reduced to the third picture on the wall. Frankly I think they'd prefer it that way, which is why Un is looking over his shoulder at all times.

Definitely covered, but I don't happen to agree. Even a bad option is better than nuclear war, at this point.

I also notice that, after being asked a dozen times, by different posters, Smitty remains coy on WHY, in his estimation, China or Russia would launch a full spread over North Korea, if we retaliate against them, but they'll stay cool if we just B61 all over the place.

[Smitty-48]

Assume we do what your advocating and we "crush" Korea. What will China do next, and what if anything do you base your assumptions on?

Don't know what China would do next, they'd probably do something, why don't you tell me?

I don't make assumptions about what the enemy might do, but, see, that's why I'd be using B61's on the NK nuclear capability, just to make sure I got it all on the first pass, and as to China and Russia? The TRIAD remains on alert, probably take it to DEFCON 3, just to be on the safe side.

5 minutes notice to launch, send the CIP keys to the SSBN's, the bombers wouldn't be at failsafe, because we'd need all the bombers for the North Korea mission, but we could put some nuclear Tomahawks on SSGN's to compensate for that.

[Kazmyr]

Definitely covered, but I don't happen to agree. Even a bad option is better than nuclear war, at this point.

I also notice that, after being asked a dozen times, by different posters, Smitty remains coy on WHY, in his estimation, China or Russia would launch a full spread over North Korea, if we retaliate against them, but they'll stay cool if we just B61 all over the place.

If I understood what Smitty was driving at, it's the effect, not the actual act of attacking (if that was the case, then Neptune Spear'ing Fatty McBowlcut would be just as inadvisable as a B61 strike, no?). Say we retaliate against NK and glass the entire country, that will most certainly have a direct effect on Russia and China. At which point, yes - expect to see incoming from those two.

If we B61 NK with a limited scope (their nuclear capabilities), with no effect to China or Russia, then what's the point of them getting involved? The strike was to NK and NK only. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like there's some kind of Article 5 that NK could invoke for help should their nuclear capabilities get whacked. Now with the bit about China's point about considering it an act of war? Do we know for certain China is willing to back that talk?

It's not that they'll be cool with B61'ing someone, but is it something they're willing to go to full blown war over? We're not doing regime change. If they can't play nice with their toys, then they don't get to have them.

[Speaker to Animals]

It seems somewhat impractical to "decapitate" the regime, as if that would even make a difference in the first place. Regime change is retarded too.

Just destroy their nuclear weapons program. If we don't destroy it, we are going to be in an all-out war at some point in which American citizens die here in CONUS.

[The Conservative]

[GloryofGreece]

Definitely covered, but I don't happen to agree. Even a bad option is better than nuclear war, at this point.

I also notice that, after being asked a dozen times, by different posters, Smitty remains coy on WHY, in his estimation, China or Russia would launch a full spread over North Korea, if we retaliate against them, but they'll stay cool if we just B61 all over the place.

If I understood what Smitty was driving at, it's the effect, not the actual act of attacking (if that was the case, then Neptune Spear'ing Fatty McBowlcut would be just as inadvisable as a B61 strike, no?). Say we retaliate against NK and glass the entire country, that will most certainly have a direct effect on Russia and China. At which point, yes - expect to see incoming from those two.

If we B61 NK with a limited scope (their nuclear capabilities), with no effect to China or Russia, then what's the point of them getting involved? The strike was to NK and NK only. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like there's some kind of Article 5 that NK could invoke for help should their nuclear capabilities get whacked. Now with the bit about China's point about considering it an act of war? Do we know for certain China is willing to back that talk?

It's not that they'll be cool with B61'ing someone, but is it something they're willing to go to full blown war over? We're not doing regime change. If they can't play nice with their toys, then they don't get to have them.

What would we do if China nuked Australia, or New Zealand, or O idk Mexico...I'm sure the American response would be nothing at all. No, we'd freak the fuck out and react.

[Smitty-48]

Tell you what, since neither Crimea nor Syria, are of any real critical interest to the United States, pretty sure I could get the Russians onside, but China, don't know, would have to be up on the saddle on them throughout, no doubt.

If China reacts, I don't see where they really can go with that, if they're going countervalue, that would be the end of China, so I don't see them doing that.

[Kazmyr]

What would we do if China nuked Australia, or New Zealand, or O idk Mexico...I'm sure the American response would be nothing at all. No, we'd freak the fuck out and react.

When was the last time that the Aussies, the Kiwis, or even the Mexicans were openly advocating for a nuclear strike on China, while ramping up their nuclear weapons program in the process?