Meanwhile in Ukraine

[C-Mag]

If you force me to choose between the Ukraine "Nazis" and Kadyrov's Islamists I will side with the Christian Europeans.

Me Too.

I don't want to be in the position to have to choose sides though.

To me, our energy is best used to demand peace. We don't need brother fighting brother.

[Smitty-48]

those people are in Washington

the people in Ukraine are not with Washington

Zelenskiy tried to stop the war that Washington was starting

now Zelenskiy is calling those people in Washington immoral cowards, which is true

Zelenskiy is putting it all on the line, his life, his family too

that's all I ask from a war chief, he's meeting the standard that NATO has forsaken

I don't disagree with any of this.

my position is not political

the Russians have gone Soviet, are mass murdering civilians on an industrial scale

and they are unchecked, so now a threat to the CONUS itself

this is not politics, this is war

[Hastur]

What's the worst that happens if Zelensky is gone, caught, last flight out whatever, and Ukraine ceases to exist as an independent nation?

How does that impact me ?
Certainly Cold War 2.0, I've been through that.

What else? Is Putin invading the US next? Canada ? Europe ?

This is a proxy war between Russia and Western Globohomo's, with Ukraine as the battleground.

I won't support that shit.

That would not end the war. Russia would end up with an insurgency that would never end. Iraq would look like a bagatelle next to it.

Iraq didn't have any patriots. It was clans and religions.

Ukraine is an European nation state with patriots willing to lay down their lives gör independence.

Pretty anachronistic these days.

Putin can't win if it drags on.

It will be Afghanistan x10.

[Smitty-48]

It will be Afghanistan x10.

and as such, it will continue to escalate and spill over the lines

this is a vortex

sending the F-22's is not the dangerous thing to do

the dangerous thing is to let this burn out of control

while trying to hide behind the fallacious rubric of "Article V"

"Article V will save us" is literally Peace In Our Time 2.0

[Smitty-48]

Putin is too scared to even allow a peace protest

Putin is too scared to even allow Russians to call this a "war"

but if the F-22's close the airspace

suddenly he's not scared of the American TRIAD ?

bullshit

soon as the F-22's enter the airspace, Putin will fold, sue for a ceasefire

because unlike Zelenskiy who is prepared to die, Putin is an utter coward

[Smitty-48]

those idiots in Washington know how to fight a war ?

you're going to take Jen Psaki's word for it ?

they want to Putin to win, that is why they are not doing anything

Ronald Reagan flew US forces right into the Barents over the Kola Peninsula in 1981

F-14's & A-6's flying right over the Soviet submarine bases

and the Soviets didn't do shit about it

soon as America calls their bluff, the Kremlin folds

[Smitty-48]

if you are utterly risk averse ?

you think that as soon as America does anything to stop them, the Kremlin is going to nuke the world ?

then you're not qualified to command

it's a Balance of Terror

nuclear deterrence requires America to step up and call the adversaries bluff as necessary

[Hastur]

The Ukrainian countryside is in full Rasputitsa season right now.

The Russians are confined to the roads and cities. Nothing with wheels can go anywhere else.

Those maps with red areas are a lie. No Russians besides on the roads.

It's a shooting gallery for attack aircraft.

The Russians have lost a lot of SAM'S already. To drones, breakdowns and ambush.

[Smitty-48]

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. I'm not holding Ukrain's wide Overton window against them.
They tolerate both Azov battalion and Femen? Good for them. Neither will rule. Ever.

If you force me to choose between the Ukraine "Nazis" and Kadyrov's Islamists I will side with the Christian Europeans.

Word.

[C-Mag]

What's the worst that happens if Zelensky is gone, caught, last flight out whatever, and Ukraine ceases to exist as an independent nation?

How does that impact me ?
Certainly Cold War 2.0, I've been through that.

What else? Is Putin invading the US next? Canada ? Europe ?

This is a proxy war between Russia and Western Globohomo's, with Ukraine as the battleground.

I won't support that shit.

That would not end the war. Russia would end up with an insurgency that would never end. Iraq would look like a bagatelle next to it.

Iraq didn't have any patriots. It was clans and religions.

Ukraine is an European nation state with patriots willing to lay down their lives gör independence.

Pretty anachronistic these days.

Putin can't win if it drags on.

It will be Afghanistan x10.

Yes, it would continue.

Why do we need to be involved ?