THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has nothing to do with law enforcement, you can tell by the parts where it says "Foreign" and "Intelligence", a FISA warrant does not authorize the collection of evidence, intelligence is not evidence, never was, and the military is not required to provide evidence of a crime before engaging a target, never was.

The NSA fights wars, wars are not subject to evidence, laws of armed conflict; military necessity, collateral mitigation, proportionate use of force.

[Smitty-48]

Americans want what they want when they want it, and that shifts as quickly as the wind, the outrage of a mass casualty terrorist attack, wherein SIGINT had the target acquired, but then let it go because, whoops, some random American bumbled into the target area, would be astronomically greater.

"Astronomically" greater?

#getawarrant

Case in point, laughing boi, World Trade Center attack, NSA had the target, all the way in, Yemen to the waterline, handed off to the FBI, FBI sat on it, cause "SIGINT not evidence, what should we do? Lets have some more meetings about it...".

Boom, World Trade Center down.

America; "OK, this is now a war, no more messing about, pass the damn SIGINT along next time, jackwagons."

When was the last time America fought a war with one hand tied behind its back due to litigious rule making totally out of touch with the reality of the battlefield?

Oh yeah, Vietnam. That worked out well.

[Okeefenokee]

Entertaining to watch someone else go through the field of strawmen and ad hominems for once.

Not only that, pulling them apart with ease. I wish Ooky would post more often but it's not surprising she doesn't.

She's marching, faggot. Show some respect.

[pineapplemike]

Exactly how long do we plan on carrying out this war? What are the parameters for victory?

[Smitty-48]

Exactly how long do we plan on carrying out this war? What are the parameters for victory?

The parameters for victory is that you carry on with your generally safe and happy existence without being struck in a mass casualty terrorist attack from overseas, what would you prefer, 767 upside the head at 500 knots? IS suicide attack on Monday Night Football?

[Okeefenokee]

Exactly how long do we plan on carrying out this war? What are the parameters for victory?

Dude, you didn't hear? We're gonna gobble up Islam! I should go listen to that series again.

[clubgop]

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has nothing to do with law enforcement, you can tell by the parts where it says "Foreign" and "Intelligence", a FISA warrant does not authorize the collection of evidence, intelligence is not evidence, never was, and the military is not required to provide evidence of a crime before engaging a target, never was.

The NSA fights wars, wars are not subject to evidence, laws of armed conflict; military necessity, collateral mitigation, proportionate use of force.

Someone tell that to the FBI.
While I agree with you in the main and was for the original authorization watching this shitshow in action especially under the Obama Administration makes me want to slam the pause button. They had their chance, they blew it, now I want to tug on the reigns.

[clubgop]

Exactly how long do we plan on carrying out this war? What are the parameters for victory?

Dude, you didn't hear? We're gonna gobble up Islam! I should go listen to that series again.

What are you referring too?

[Smitty-48]

The bottom line is, in order to, if not totally annihilate, at minimum chop down to something manageable, overseas terrorist networks, the military needs its own network, and it needs to exploit actionable intelligence, on the spot, not days and weeks later, after a judge or three has had a chance to review the intel, the intel goes cold in a matter of hours, in order to fight this war, it's got to be at a pace faster than the enemies decision making loop, and good luck with that if you're going to have lawyers fighting the war for you, if lawyers are your bulwark against mass casualty terrorist attack, expect to get your asses handed to you on a regular interval.

[Smitty-48]

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has nothing to do with law enforcement, you can tell by the parts where it says "Foreign" and "Intelligence", a FISA warrant does not authorize the collection of evidence, intelligence is not evidence, never was, and the military is not required to provide evidence of a crime before engaging a target, never was.

The NSA fights wars, wars are not subject to evidence, laws of armed conflict; military necessity, collateral mitigation, proportionate use of force.

Someone tell that to the FBI.
While I agree with you in the main and was for the original authorization watching this shitshow in action especially under the Obama Administration makes me want to slam the pause button. They had their chance, they blew it, now I want to tug on the reigns.

Tug in the reins on what? You want to deny the internet to the NSA and FBI? So what intelligence will they have to collect then? You want them to what, listen to the analogue on the 1980's era ECHELON net? There's nothing on that net, it's just static now, so what would be the point of that?