Unite the Right

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:42 pm

Sherman was a great general.

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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:45 pm

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I've always been a big Tecumseh Sherman fan. Smitty what do you think about Sherman?
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"I like niggers well enough as niggers, but when fools and idiots try and make niggers better than ourselves, I have an opinion."
~ William Tecumseh Sherman.
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Post by heydaralon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:49 pm

I think the dude had an engineering background. Very interesting mind. I believe he let Bell Hood get away and just trashed Atlanta and went all the way to Savannah. I read somewhere that Sherman commanded the best army in the world at that time, but I have no idea. How do you guys rate Sherman against Stonewall Jackson or Lee?
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:56 pm

Sherman was the first modern General, he was ahead of his time, Lee and Jackson were Napoleonic Warfare, Sherman was World War One, so in the end, as all war is logistics in the end, Lee and Jackson ultimately never stood a chance against Sherman. More heroic perhaps, Lee and Jackson from another age, the age of chivalry, Sherman, the coming storm of industrialized warfare.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by de officiis » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:56 pm

heydaralon wrote:I think the dude had an engineering background. Very interesting mind. I believe he let Bell Hood get away and just trashed Atlanta and went all the way to Savannah. I read somewhere that Sherman commanded the best army in the world at that time, but I have no idea. How do you guys rate Sherman against Stonewall Jackson or Lee?
I am not convinced that he shared their tactical brilliance.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by heydaralon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:57 pm

de officiis wrote:
heydaralon wrote:I think the dude had an engineering background. Very interesting mind. I believe he let Bell Hood get away and just trashed Atlanta and went all the way to Savannah. I read somewhere that Sherman commanded the best army in the world at that time, but I have no idea. How do you guys rate Sherman against Stonewall Jackson or Lee?
I am not convinced that he shared their tactical brilliance.
What makes you say that?
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:07 pm

Technically, Lee and Jackson were not brilliant at the tactical level, Generals do not operate at the tactical level, General's function at the operational level, and it was at the operational level were Jackson was certainly brilliant, Lee was not so much brilliant as just a great leader of men, it was actually Longstreet who was the brilliant operator, Jackson was Lee's doer, Longstreet was Lee's thinker, and it was Longstreet in the end who tried his damndest to talk Lee out of charging up Cemetery Ridge, saying that it was a suicide mission, but Lee wouldn't listen.

But you know, Napoleon made the same sort of mistakes, even Bonaparte's screw the pooch sometimes.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by de officiis » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:11 pm

heydaralon wrote:
de officiis wrote:
heydaralon wrote:I think the dude had an engineering background. Very interesting mind. I believe he let Bell Hood get away and just trashed Atlanta and went all the way to Savannah. I read somewhere that Sherman commanded the best army in the world at that time, but I have no idea. How do you guys rate Sherman against Stonewall Jackson or Lee?
I am not convinced that he shared their tactical brilliance.
What makes you say that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... llorsville
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:11 pm

Strategy

Operations

Tactics




Generals operate at the top half of that spectrum.

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:14 pm

de officiis wrote:
heydaralon wrote:
de officiis wrote:
I am not convinced that he shared their tactical brilliance.
What makes you say that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... llorsville

Lee could have ordered his army to leave the federal troops entrenched on those hills in Gettysburg and marched on Washington instead. What was the point of ordering his men, ill-equipped, to march up the hills straight into those entrenchments?

In other words, would Patton have wasted his time trying to defeat the federal army in Gettysburg or just march towards Washington to force them out of their positions and confront Patton on ground that Patton himself chooses?
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