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[Smitty-48]

Jefferson Davis fled all the way to Montreal....

He did not.

Yeah he did, that's where his family had fled during the war, his wife and kids were there, when they bailed him out in 1867, that's the first place he went, to be the guest of Tory publisher John Lovell. They summered in Lennoxville Quebec and they wintered in Cuba.

[Smitty-48]

One thing that swung Canadians against the Confederacy near the end, was the St. Alban's Raid in 1864, which they launched from Canada into the US, that was when Canadians said, "wayment, you can't use us a base to launch attacks, that will bring the Yankees down upon us!", before that, Canadians were very sympathetic, but as soon as it seemed like the Confederates might drag Canada into the war, then there was a backlash.

Pretty much split as it does now, Tories were the main sympathizers, Liberals not so much, but at the time, Toronto was not the big stronghold for Tories and business, at the time it was Montreal, because Montreal was the center of commerce, and so a Tory city in effect, so that's why Davis sent his family there.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Jefferson Davis fled all the way to Montreal....

He did not.

Yeah he did, that's where his family had fled during the war, his wife and kids were there, when they bailed him out in 1867, that's the first place he went, to be the guest of Tory publisher John Lovell. They summered in Lennoxville Quebec and they wintered in Cuba.

He fled all the way to Georgia where he was caught with his wife.
You should be more careful--people may believe what you write without looking into it.
Following his imprisonment, he went straight to Canada, but after Johnson's broad confederate amnesty, Davis got the fuck out.

[katarn]

Jefferson Davis fled all the way to Montreal, they even put up a plaque in his honor, right on the old Hudson's Bay building, and it remained there undisturbed for 152 years, until last week, when Hudson's Bay pulled it down in a PCM induced panic.

Well, nothing lasts forever, eh, cousin?

Tru dat, cousin. Mind you, never was much of a Jefferson Davis fan meself, what honors extend to the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennesee, do not necessarily extend to Richmond in the end.

The greatness of Marse Robert, is that he is the American Napoleon, Jefferson Davis, not so much.

Wait a minute. You aren't allowed to say Lee was great. He was a racist, yessir.

[Smitty-48]

He did not.

Yeah he did, that's where his family had fled during the war, his wife and kids were there, when they bailed him out in 1867, that's the first place he went, to be the guest of Tory publisher John Lovell. They summered in Lennoxville Quebec and they wintered in Cuba.

He fled all the way to Georgia where he was caught with his wife.
You should be more careful--people may believe what you write without looking into it.
Following his imprisonment, he went straight to Canada, but after Johnson's broad confederate amnesty, Davis got the fuck out.

Varina was with him when he got sent to Fort Munroe, but she had already sent the children to Canada, when she was released from house arrest in effect in Georgia, she went to Canada, when he got out on bail, he went to join them.

[Smitty-48]

Actually was the Davis' house servant, named Robert Brown, who was entrusted to take the children to Canada and care for them in loco parentis, so they actually entrusted the care of their children to a former black slave, who was freed but in their employ.

The hierarchy of blacks in the Confederacy; field negro slave, house negro slave, house negro overseer, freed negro servant.

In order to survive, they had to try to work their way up the ranks, field was the worst, that's like the concentration camp, if you can get to the household you're out of the fire and into the frying pan, if you can work your way into a position of authority, you're almost there, if you can you can make that work, maybe they'll free you and then you can get a paycheck, if they send you to Canada from there; the promised land. Obviously white supremacy was still in effect in Canada, but with no legal force to it, you could pretty much go about your business without being set upon. As much as the Yankees would claim that their white supremacy had no legal force to it, still much more dangerous there than in Canada.

[Speaker to Animals]

Towards the end, southern states made it a lot more difficult to emancipate one's slaves in order to stem to tide of crypto-abolitionists. A lot of young gentry didn't want to participate in the system. Not enough of them to make a difference, but still. It was a problem.

[Smitty-48]

Well there was always cognitive dissonance, they had blacks who they favoured, even doted upon, and then there was the plantation itself, which was sort of out of sight out of mind, they sort of walled it off, it's not like polite society spent a lot of time out in the fields seeing it for what it was, they had overseers for that, they kept it at arms length.

For the British, they wouldn't have it anywhere near the United Kingdom nor Canada, it was all in the West Indies, totally out of sight and out of mind. It was always unlawful to hold an African in bondage in the United Kingdom or Canada, but if in bondage in the West Indies, you'll never make it there to plead your case.

One time a British slave holder made the mistake of bringing his slave to Scotland, and the slave decided to go down to the local magistrates office and plead his case, and the Scottiish court freed him on the spot. That pretty much made sure that no slave holder ever brought a slave to the UK again.

[Smitty-48]

Well, nothing lasts forever, eh, cousin?

Tru dat, cousin. Mind you, never was much of a Jefferson Davis fan meself, what honors extend to the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennesee, do not necessarily extend to Richmond in the end.

The greatness of Marse Robert, is that he is the American Napoleon, Jefferson Davis, not so much.

Wait a minute. You aren't allowed to say Lee was great. He was a racist, yessir.

Well in all fairness, racism at the time, was "Science!" Denying white supremacy in the 19th century would be like denying "Climate Change!" today.

Now we have "Climate Scientists!", back then they had "Race Scientists!" and according to the scientists then, racism was like the laws of physics, it was settled law, there was no was question, perhaps the black man was a mammal, but he was an inferior one, cows and horses were mammals too, but they didn't have all the rights and priveleges of a white man, most people back then thought that it was insane to claim otherwise. Women were inferior too, that was also "Science!"

Robert E. Lee was a military man, West Point, Mexican American War, he was a professional soldier, it's not like he was seized with the idea that he knew better than the scientists, and most people weren't.

And besides, even most Abolitionists were racists, it's not that they said that the black man wasn't inferior, they just said that slavery was bad for the republics, and most of them did not want to emancipate slaves to be citizens, they just wanted to send them back to Africa and be rid of them.

[heydaralon]

Tru dat, cousin. Mind you, never was much of a Jefferson Davis fan meself, what honors extend to the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennesee, do not necessarily extend to Richmond in the end.

The greatness of Marse Robert, is that he is the American Napoleon, Jefferson Davis, not so much.

Wait a minute. You aren't allowed to say Lee was great. He was a racist, yessir.

Well in all fairness, racism at the time, was "Science!" Denying white supremacy in the 19th century would be like denying "Climate Change!" today.

Now we have "Climate Scientists!", back then they had "Race Scientists!" and according to the scientists then, racism was like the laws of physics, it was settled law, there was no was question, perhaps the black man was a mammal, but he was an inferior one, cows and horses were mammals too, but they didn't have all the rights and priveleges of a white man, most people back then thought that it was insane to claim otherwise. Women were inferior too, that was also "Science!"

Robert E. Lee was a military man, West Point, Mexican American War, he was a professional soldier, it's not like he was siezed with the idea that he knew better than the scientists.

I've always been a big Tecumseh Sherman fan. Smitty what do you think about Sherman?