Swiss may have best immigration policy.

[JohnDonne]

Masculinity is mainly just competency. In it's rawest form, we are talking about survival and fighting. Everything else, including traits like strength, loyalty, and honor stem from competency.

Usually, when you ask people this question, all you get is their ideology. It's long been the practice of our civilization to use your manhood as a control mechanism; to shame you as not being a "real man" if you don't do this or that, or think in a certain way. When people try to formulate what masculinity means, they tend to list traits that are important to them, or help society or civilization in some way. That too is a mistake, though the general idea is close to the mark.

The only way to make sense of this is to unwind history and examine humans as the animals that we are. You can look at other species to see what male traits exist as well, which helps you extrapolate what it actually means to be human in our rawest state (before complex culture and history itself). Humans were a patrilocal species. Our social unit was essentially a gang or a clan of men. Females migrated between gangs. Gangs waged perpetual low-intensity warfare with one another. Existence was fragile. Both masculinity and femininity relate to the survival of the human tribe. Masculinity has more to do with fighting, hunting, building shelters, etc. Competency in those things is what makes a male valuable to the gang. It's competency that earns you honor amongst your peers. Femininity has more to do with keeping children alive.

It's not a huge problem for a male to adopt (really to learn) some feminine traits, but if that interferes with masculinity, then it is poison.

As civilization progresses, masculinity expresses itself in lots of different ways. Business. Art. Philosophy. Etc. However, it always relates to one's competency at some task that maintains continuity of the human social structure. The reason most of us feel a visceral disgust with men who are not masculine is that evolution has primed us to weed them out as threats to our tribe. Because they really are exactly that.

That's pretty interesting. That would mean the male associated sub-traits of competency should be the focus if you're trying to get masculine specific. A lot of them have taken on lives of their own beyond their original purpose: Honor and Strength, like altruism are considered to be spiritual qualities more than they are thought of as evolutionarily useful. They can be both, but I myself am enamored more with the spiritual aspect of things.

[heydaralon]

Shit try reading her some of my Battlestar Galactica fan fiction. That will get her wet and tingly down there brother! These whores can't get enough of Cylons. Trust me on this one. To get them really revved up I call my dick Kobol and they loove it.

[Smitty-48]

Shit try reading her some of my Battlestar Galactica fan fiction. That will get her wet and tingly down there brother! These whores can't get enough of Cylons. Trust me on this one. To get them really revved up I call my dick Kobol and they loove it.

Actually, my wife liked Battlestar Galactica, at least for the first couple seasons, she likes some science fiction, she's gotta a nerdy side too, she was a big Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan, she doesn't hate on the comic book nerds.

[heydaralon]

Shit try reading her some of my Battlestar Galactica fan fiction. That will get her wet and tingly down there brother! These whores can't get enough of Cylons. Trust me on this one. To get them really revved up I call my dick Kobol and they loove it.

Actually, my wife liked Battlestar Galactica, at least for the first couple seasons, she's likes some science fiction, she's gotta a nerdy side too, she was a big Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan, she doesn't hate on the comic book nerds.

See I told you it would work

[Smitty-48]

Shit try reading her some of my Battlestar Galactica fan fiction. That will get her wet and tingly down there brother! These whores can't get enough of Cylons. Trust me on this one. To get them really revved up I call my dick Kobol and they loove it.

Actually, my wife liked Battlestar Galactica, at least for the first couple seasons, she's likes some science fiction, she's gotta a nerdy side too, she was a big Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan, she doesn't hate on the comic book nerds.

See I told you it would work

BSG never really got her hot n' bothered, Outlander tho, Jamie and Claire, that usually gets her in the mood.

[Smitty-48]

Maybe this is TMI, but my wife is always in the mood first thing in the morning, so I'm guaranteed morning sex at the very least, pretty much like clockwork.

[heydaralon]

This is completely unrelated to Swiss immigration policy, but apparently the guy who wrote BSG was a Mormon and many interpret it as being a scifi take on LDS theology which is admittedly pretty scifi anyway. I never liked the show, but I always thought that was pretty off the wall. I asked a mormon I went to high school with what he thought of BSG, and he looked at me confused like "what the hell are you talking about?"

[heydaralon]

Maybe this is TMI, but my wife is always in the mood first thing in the morning, so I'm guaranteed morning sex at the very least, pretty much like clockwork.

A good way to start off your day, though you gotta figure that its all gonna be downhill from there, because it would be difficult to top that later on, unless you got laid in the afternoon or something.

[Smitty-48]

Maybe this is TMI, but my wife is always in the mood first thing in the morning, so I'm guaranteed morning sex at the very least, pretty much like clockwork.

A good way to start off your day, though you gotta figure that its all gonna be downhill from there, because it would be difficult to top that later on, unless you got laid in the afternoon or something.

She's a morning person, I'm a nighthawk, she's getting up and I'm going to bed, so we just fuck like rabbits on the shift change.

[Speaker to Animals]

Masculinity is mainly just competency. In it's rawest form, we are talking about survival and fighting. Everything else, including traits like strength, loyalty, and honor stem from competency.

Usually, when you ask people this question, all you get is their ideology. It's long been the practice of our civilization to use your manhood as a control mechanism; to shame you as not being a "real man" if you don't do this or that, or think in a certain way. When people try to formulate what masculinity means, they tend to list traits that are important to them, or help society or civilization in some way. That too is a mistake, though the general idea is close to the mark.

The only way to make sense of this is to unwind history and examine humans as the animals that we are. You can look at other species to see what male traits exist as well, which helps you extrapolate what it actually means to be human in our rawest state (before complex culture and history itself). Humans were a patrilocal species. Our social unit was essentially a gang or a clan of men. Females migrated between gangs. Gangs waged perpetual low-intensity warfare with one another. Existence was fragile. Both masculinity and femininity relate to the survival of the human tribe. Masculinity has more to do with fighting, hunting, building shelters, etc. Competency in those things is what makes a male valuable to the gang. It's competency that earns you honor amongst your peers. Femininity has more to do with keeping children alive.

It's not a huge problem for a male to adopt (really to learn) some feminine traits, but if that interferes with masculinity, then it is poison.

As civilization progresses, masculinity expresses itself in lots of different ways. Business. Art. Philosophy. Etc. However, it always relates to one's competency at some task that maintains continuity of the human social structure. The reason most of us feel a visceral disgust with men who are not masculine is that evolution has primed us to weed them out as threats to our tribe. Because they really are exactly that.

That's pretty interesting. That would mean the male associated sub-traits of competency should be the focus if you're trying to get masculine specific. A lot of them have taken on lives of their own beyond their original purpose: Honor and Strength, like altruism are considered to be spiritual qualities more than they are thought of as evolutionarily useful. They can be both, but I myself am enamored more with the spiritual aspect of things.

This is a complex issue when you begin to look at males in our own society, what went wrong, and how to fix it. In general, I think western males need to focus on two things: (1) they need to abandon the derivation (or validation) of their masculinity from women. (2) They need to identify skills/professions/traits that they wish to excel at and instead derive their self-worth from objective and quantifiable achievements in those pursuits. I literally mean men need to stop giving a shit about what women think of them. This is a standard "no-duh" statement for most of human history, but these days it's revolutionary in western society -- which is why we are devolving.

The main area where western civilization went wrong was in men deriving their value based on the females they can attract, their service to women, etc. It's a poisonous ideology most call "chivalry", though it's nothing of the sort (chivalry was an honor code among warriors and had little to do with women). This ideology began in medieval courtly culture and was promulgated first by troubadours who most often wrote songs and poetry about "knights" who would debase themselves for noble women. It became associated with chivalry because of the focus on knights in these early stories. This thing evolved from there and became what we see today with extreme female empowerment at the cost of men and men living quietly desperate lives because their self-worth is tied up in whether they please their wives and receive approval from women in general.

With respect to altruism.. that's actually a genetic trait. Western leftists have distorted altruism into a maladaptive behavior, however. That's yet another problem to false chivalry that I think actually has religious roots. It's a distortion of Christianity, in particular.

Honor essentially is how men recognize competency amongst their peers. When you strip away civilization and complex society, and look at humanity in it's rawest paleolithic form, you will find small bands of men (gangs) in which the social hierarchy (a dominance hierarchy) self-organizes around competence (especially competence at fighting). Honor is how those men individually and collectively recognize achievement which is the mechanism by which that hierarchy self-organizes.

As I pointed out in another thread, human females organize their relationships amongst themselves according to shame. Their evolutionary role is merely to provide children, so no competency is really required, thus no need for honor and competition, or even accountability for anything beyond caring for infants. Because they were weaker than men, and because they had no honor for themselves, they could only use shame to exert influence over men. Which is why we men so keenly feel it with respect to our conduct around women but not as much around men. What we often associate with "shame" with respect to our poor conduct around men is really a feeling of dishonor -- our male peers have judged us unfit and incompetent at something we should otherwise have been able to do (or avoid).