The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

OOOOOH. That is a huge difference. Reforming the state... like turning Weimar into the Reich.



You fucking goober.

I advised reform along a Canadian model, much like Quebec, yet you keep jumping to Nazi Germany, as if that is the only model a White Ethno State within America could follow. Get a better imagination, a dystopia is not required to create a White Ethno State.

So we have a few models, and we are curious which is more analogous to reforming part of America into an ethno-state.

I think I have made the case that maintaining regional autonomy for an existing foreign colony is not a close fit, but, I am sure there is room for disagreement.

Imagining the better, peaceful, two-state reformation model is a lot more difficult. I am glad we all see that.

[Speaker to Animals]

If we don't change the immigration policies soon, then whites will become a minority in the United States and the Latinos will open immigration to all Latinos in an attempt to finish what they colloquially call the "Reconquista" of the United States, even though they never lived north of Texas and Southern California since the dawn of their civilization about three thousand years ago.

When (if) that happens, the only viable outcome for us as whites is to do what Capps suggested and create our own ethno-states within the aegis of a larger United States confederation of some kind. I have argued we could do this right now as a result of a convention in which we give everybody a choice about how they want to live by breaking the cities off into multilcultural city-states and setting aside a few regions as explicit ethno-states for white, Latino, black, and First Nations peoples. That construct will be a shadow of what America used to be, but it's not as bad as what is happening to whites in other parts of the world that have been "decolonized". Go read up on what is happening to whites in South Africa or what happened to whites in Rhodesia. Read about Mugabe as well. That's your future if this continues without us breaking apart somehow into a confederation of ethno-states.

[StCapps]

Imagining the better, peaceful, two-state reformation model is a lot more difficult. I am glad we all see that.

Because it's so hard to look at a real life example, right next door, on the same continent, and imagine that as more likely than a Nazi Germany dystopia.


SIFCLF clown show.

[K@th]

So how did Quebec go from a largely mixed race society to being an almost exclusively white state, without violence?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Actually, yeah, for the most part, that's exactly how nation states are formed. Poland and Lithuania are two separate nations now for a reason. Scotland is free to fuck off from England for a reason. I don't see Serbia as part of Austria and I can name about six little nations of people who want fuck all to do with Russia.

Well, see, now we have gotten back to the fact that you seem to define almost all nation states as ethno-states.

And, the history of Serbia and Austria isn't rosy. In fact, the whole of the Balkans has been less than rosy, which is why the sort of Balkanization being suggested is usually treated with, at least, a little suspicion. The current situation between Russian and ex-USSR states isn't rosy. The history of England and Ireland or Scotland, or the US isn't rosy.

Peaceful partition is the exception.

Nah, man.

Europeans are only now starting to acquire the same sense of racial identity that emerged in the United States over the past two centuries or so. Until very recently, an ethno-state in Europe was literally a nation state, and quite a lot of their wars were really about nations of people trying to break away from multi-ethnic empires. The multi-ethnic empire looks good on paper, but rarely works out for long in practice. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was the classic example of what theoretically should have been the superpower of the twentieth century but failed because the individual ethnicities couldn't get along. It just disintegrated and dragged all of Europe into WW1 with it's disintegration. WW2 was arguably an extension or resumption of hostilities that began with WW1, but the entire shtick of the axis powers was a return to ethnic nation states instead of the multi-ethnic empires (like Great Britain).

The multi-ethnic empire faction was saved by the Soviets and the fact that America joined. But America, though a nation of immigrants from multiple ethnicities, was framed as a "white" nation. We basically invented the idea of whiteness here. It's how we assimilated people into one nationality. What we call American culture is the synthesis of all the ethnic cultures and values of Caucasian peoples.

The big lie here is that we can somehow extend that process to nonwhites. It doesn't make any sense. You can't integrate nonwhites into a common white culture. This idea backfired recently, which is why now we have the Multi-Cult -- the idea that everybody can just come here and retain their own ethnicities and cultures within the borders of the United States, and that's perfectly okay. That's where several of you are right now. The problem is that most of the nonwhites coming here are coming here as colonizers. Especially the Latinos. They are very motivated in their mission to replace and colonize us. Their ethno-nationalist organization, La Raza, controls benches in federal courts, state legislature seats, and even at least one congressman (Gutierrez is an avowed ethno-nationalist). You guys just don't want to recognize it because it's difficult to process that you quickly reaching the point the Indians once found themselves in.

Theoretically, you could argue that we could just create some new pan-human ethnic conscious, but I think evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. The people coming here are for the most part ethno-nationalists themselves who are intent on colonizing us.

They are conforming to American law, and working within the strictures of the American constitution if they are on the courts. That isn't really colonizing, as I understand the word. That is integrating into the American system of rule-of-law.

I have faith in our institutions. If La Raza starts trying to pass unconstitutional laws, Gorsuch'll strike 'em right the fuck down, and make no mistake.

Just one of the many benefits of constitutional government and the rule of law applying to everybody, regardless of race.

Amirite?

[StCapps]

So how did Quebec go from a largely mixed race society to being an almost exclusively white state, without violence?

It never started a largely mixed race society, neither did America.
/shrugs

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Imagining the better, peaceful, two-state reformation model is a lot more difficult. I am glad we all see that.

Because it's so hard to look at a real life example, right next door, on the same continent, and imagine that as more likely than a Nazi Germany dystopia.


SIFCLF clown show.

You said it was a failure of imagination. Not me. I think it is a success of rational thinking, and a little knowledge of the history of balkanizations.

You want me to imagine harder to get to the Quebec model... okay, I am imagining as hard as I can. It is great, everything worked out, and it wasn't at all like either the Palestinian two state solution or the Reich, even though those are closer analogies.

Imagination is

[Speaker to Animals]

Well, see, now we have gotten back to the fact that you seem to define almost all nation states as ethno-states.

And, the history of Serbia and Austria isn't rosy. In fact, the whole of the Balkans has been less than rosy, which is why the sort of Balkanization being suggested is usually treated with, at least, a little suspicion. The current situation between Russian and ex-USSR states isn't rosy. The history of England and Ireland or Scotland, or the US isn't rosy.

Peaceful partition is the exception.

Nah, man.

Europeans are only now starting to acquire the same sense of racial identity that emerged in the United States over the past two centuries or so. Until very recently, an ethno-state in Europe was literally a nation state, and quite a lot of their wars were really about nations of people trying to break away from multi-ethnic empires. The multi-ethnic empire looks good on paper, but rarely works out for long in practice. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was the classic example of what theoretically should have been the superpower of the twentieth century but failed because the individual ethnicities couldn't get along. It just disintegrated and dragged all of Europe into WW1 with it's disintegration. WW2 was arguably an extension or resumption of hostilities that began with WW1, but the entire shtick of the axis powers was a return to ethnic nation states instead of the multi-ethnic empires (like Great Britain).

The multi-ethnic empire faction was saved by the Soviets and the fact that America joined. But America, though a nation of immigrants from multiple ethnicities, was framed as a "white" nation. We basically invented the idea of whiteness here. It's how we assimilated people into one nationality. What we call American culture is the synthesis of all the ethnic cultures and values of Caucasian peoples.

The big lie here is that we can somehow extend that process to nonwhites. It doesn't make any sense. You can't integrate nonwhites into a common white culture. This idea backfired recently, which is why now we have the Multi-Cult -- the idea that everybody can just come here and retain their own ethnicities and cultures within the borders of the United States, and that's perfectly okay. That's where several of you are right now. The problem is that most of the nonwhites coming here are coming here as colonizers. Especially the Latinos. They are very motivated in their mission to replace and colonize us. Their ethno-nationalist organization, La Raza, controls benches in federal courts, state legislature seats, and even at least one congressman (Gutierrez is an avowed ethno-nationalist). You guys just don't want to recognize it because it's difficult to process that you quickly reaching the point the Indians once found themselves in.

Theoretically, you could argue that we could just create some new pan-human ethnic conscious, but I think evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. The people coming here are for the most part ethno-nationalists themselves who are intent on colonizing us.

They are conforming to American law, and working within the strictures of the American constitution if they are on the courts. That isn't really colonizing, as I understand the word. That is integrating into the American system of rule-of-law.

I have faith in our institutions. If La Raza starts trying to pass unconstitutional laws, Gorsuch'll strike 'em right the fuck down, and make no mistake.

Just one of the many benefits of constitutional government and the rule of law applying to everybody, regardless of race.

Amirite?

You are totally lying to yourself here. You have to know in your bones this is not right. We now have FGM in America, honor killings, mosques that preach terror that drove the jihad to shoot up a gay nightclub, and more. Former FBI agents have gone on record to state this Muslim community does very little to turn the jihadists in. Every week I can see a growing population of illegal immigrants and Mexicans networking at church for lucrative jobs (they make pretty good money in addition to all the gibs), and forming their own alternative Mexican colony within our community. I see them demanding whites lose "privilege" through racist admission practices, racist job requirements, etc.

You are just lying to yourself to avoid facing how bad this really is. These people are not living within our laws at all.

[StCapps]

Only SIFCLF's think that Nazi Germany is a more likely outcome for a White Ethno State in North America than the Quebec model, due to their predisposition to assume that the Sky Is Falling. The actual historical record when it comes to White Ethno States in North America is not one where the sky is falling, quite the opposite.

[K@th]

Only SIFCLF's think that Nazi Germany is a more likely outcome for a White Ethno State in North America than the Quebec model, due to their predisposition to assume that the Sky Is Falling.

I don't think that, at all. I don't see it as possible unless draconian measures take place, but I don't think that will happen. Americans tend to love diversity. Those who scream louder aren't in the majority, they just make more noise.