The Right and the Left need each other - debate

[clubgop]

Gawker did that son,

Pravda by any other name...

The personification of cultural marxism.

http://gawker.com/that-type-of-girl-des ... 1639772694

[nickle7]

There's a distinction between cultural Marxism and political Marxism that you're failing to make here. Sure, the argument that political Marxism is gaining ground in this country is much harder to make than the fact that cultural Marxism is becoming quite popular.

That pursuit of individual liberty you're talking about is probably from great intention but it doesn't stop there. Law are created to make everyone "equal," (an equality that is focused on equal outcome rather than equal opportunity) which is then a stepping stone to laws like Canada's BillC-16, which does not represent any sort of freedom I'd like to live under.

There are no laws trying to make everyone equal. There are zero laws redistributing wealth in the US. Welfare is not wealth redistribution.

This where the right loses me, they go on about this stuff, and as many people on the left point out, if there is a class war going on then the vast majority of people are getting the shit kicked out of them by just one class, the class with stupid amounts of money. This is pharaoh, Roman Emporer, Czar of Russia level of wealth and power we're talking about.

This penny ante bullshit where we fight over shitty public bathrooms and whether we can be pissed off at people for fucking, not fucking, or fucking incorrectly is ridiculous. There shouldn't be a law protecting trans people in the bathroom, because there shouldn't be a law punishing them. The law should be, hey if you assault someone anywhere your ass is in jail and fined.

So I don't know what you're talking about with cultural Marxism. It doesn't exist.

OH GOD DAMMIT. Fucking hell, I googled "cultural Marxism" and it's more alt-right horse shit.

Great, well fuck it, just fuck it. Forget I said anything, this is not reasonable territory. Cultural Marxism. Just, son of a bitch, this is why we can't have nice things.

CULTURAL Marxism. I'm not talking about laws. You've just made my point for me. The public bathrooms debate. Why are we even having a national debate about this? The fact that we are having this debate is indicative of a national move to the left. We're heading toward cultural Marxism. These types of debates are cultural Marxism. You're making my point for me.

[DrYouth]

Well the basic birch theory is that by confusing children on their sexuality and creating legions of special little snow flakes to populate the universities the masses are more easy to control via propaganda.

This thing you call cultural marxism is definitely a thing.
And children are most certainly getting more confused about their sexuality...

But as with most conspiracy theories I doubt the conspiracy part of the theory.
I see it as another example of misguided "intellectuals" causing harm in their efforts to right perceived wrongs.

I join you in shaking my head and palming my forehead at much of the drivel that is produced by our higher education facilities.
That all being said we have to guard against throwing the baby out with the bathwater... the counter swing of pervasive anti-intellectualism and whole hog rejection of science and social science is a dangerous reactionary movement.

[apeman]

Well the basic birch theory is that by confusing children on their sexuality and creating legions of special little snow flakes to populate the universities the masses are more easy to control via propaganda.

This thing you call cultural marxism is definitely a thing.
And children are most certainly getting more confused about their sexuality...

But as with most conspiracy theories I doubt the conspiracy part of the theory.
I see it as another example of misguided "intellectuals" causing harm in their efforts to right perceived wrongs.

I join you in shaking my head and palming my forehead at much of the drivel that is produced by our higher education facilities.
That all being said we have to guard against throwing the baby out with the bathwater... the counter swing of pervasive anti-intellectualism and whole hog rejection of science and social science is a dangerous reactionary movement.

I think DrY is at least mostly correct, in my extensive experience with these folks, it is misguided adherence to unthinking compassion above any other value. Stress the unthinking.

[DrYouth]

I think DrY is at least mostly correct, in my extensive experience with these folks, it is misguided adherence to unthinking compassion above any other value. Stress the unthinking.

Well it's not compassion for the most part. It's an effort to rewrite every history from the vantage and bias of every imaginable outgroup, by those very out groups. With contempt for the dominant culture. Much shadenfreude involved.

Not to say that we can't learn something from these alternative histories, but seeing the alternative histories as THE legitimate histories is as misguided as believing that history written by the dominant culture was THE legitimate history.

[Two Man]

Not to say that we can't learn something from these alternative histories, but seeing the alternative histories as THE legitimate histories is as misguided as believing that history written by the dominant culture was THE legitimate history.

Should history be written from multiple perspectives? For example: from the perspective of the left, this is what happened. From the perspective of the right, this is what happened. Problem is, you could keep finding categories from which you can divide perspectives all day long. From the perspective of men, this happened. From whites, blacks, wealthy, poor, etc, etc. How do you account for all these perspectives without running out of ink?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

This whole conversation about 'cultural Marxism' is ridiculous. It is a made up propaganda term.

For instance, is studying the history of the civil war from the perspective of the Confederates 'cultural Marxism?' By all the definitions provided in this thread, it certainly seems to be. They were not the victors, they believe their rights were subsequently violated, et cetera.

In a discussion of the left and the right, it is unhelpful to attach all cultural authoritarianism to one side. Here it is the left that gets that albatross, but if you talk to leftists, the only authoritarians are right wing Christians. It is obviously biased BS.

The fact that every damn conversation about left versus right around here gets drug into SJW/Cultural Marxist territory is absurd since I have not seen ANYONE, read ANYONE, that has supported social scolding or the like. Yet, anytime someone starts talking too left, lo and behold, without fail the conversation is immediately railroaded with 'cultural Marxist' nonsense.

So, everyone trying to hunt down the specter of cultural Marxists can just cut the bullshit cultural McCarthyism, because it is a ridiculous barrier to interesting discussion.

[TheReal_ND]

Two things: point me to the right wing ideals that demand cultural authoritarianism. I wont deny that there are elements of the right that would like to have some sort of say, but I'm curious as to where this has ever been the case and wether or not you feel that defines the right.

2: it's only the leftists that have sway in media platforms and realistically policy for over a decade. Meanwhile they don't even let their zeitgeist sink in to gain traction, rather they try to replace people that are against their ideals with fresh immigrants that have zero qualms with them. So point me toweard a leftist that isn't absolutely ideologically opposed to the normative right and then tell me again how little sway they have over main stream media and politics.

Bonus round:

3. Go fuck your self tbh

[clubgop]

Double post

[clubgop]

This whole conversation about 'cultural Marxism' is ridiculous. It is a made up propaganda term.

For instance, is studying the history of the civil war from the perspective of the Confederates 'cultural Marxism?' By all the definitions provided in this thread, it certainly seems to be. They were not the victors, they believe their rights were subsequently violated, et cetera.

"Cultural marxism" is the fancy academic term for PC. So no history from the perspective of the Confederates would not be PC. Cultural marxism would specifically eliminate the perspective altogether.