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Hwen Hoshino wrote: Why does face culture even exist in China if they are such hustlers? Other countries got rid of their gun rights. No other country backs up it's freedom of speech with guns in civilian hands. The idea that other countries are more American than America is stupid. Outside of the giant debt in what way is China kicking USA ass? I am not worried about the Bulgars or China, i just said the Chinese way is way harder to spread than the American way.
The idea that America is a nation of yeoman farmers defending their homesteads with their rifles, is a cartoon, America is an imperial hegemon ruling over its own people by a corptocracy as opressive and corrupt as the Chinese Communists, with more of its people imprisoned therein, but in Shanghai, you have the dynamism where the people can hustle to the top of the heap, as Americans used to in America's heyday, whereas now in America, most people have about the same economic mobility as a Chinese peasant, in fact, the Chinese peasant will hustle up a better play than the American now, Americans ain't the go getters they used to be, and they're not even encouraged to be anymore, rhetorically perhaps, but if they actually try to go out and hustle, suddenly they find the game is more rigged in America than it is even in Communist China.

Not true. I watched my parents rise from very lowly stations to quite high ones indeed. It is possible here to hustle but of course a lot of luck and genetic predisposition goes a long way unlike China where it is merely luck and your family's turn at the big shot. Here it was, and probably still is, possible to make your own way on your own innate merit should you choose to do so.
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TheReal_ND wrote:Not true. I watched my parents rise from very lowly stations to quite high ones indeed. It is possible here to hustlebut of course a lot of luck and genetic predisposition goes a long way unlike China where it is merely luck and your family's turn at the big shot. Here it was, and probably still is, possible to make your own way on your own innate merit should you choose to do so.
This is what Americans believe, but Americans have some of the lowest economic mobility numbers in the developed world, similar to China's which is not even ranked as a developed nation, I was twice as likely as a Canadian to rise above my socio-economic class than you were, and in fact I did, I wouldn't say I'm rich, but I'm pretty well off, and I'm a heck of a lot richer than my father and mother ever were.
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TheReal_ND wrote:Not true. I watched my parents rise from very lowly stations to quite high ones indeed. It is possible here to hustlebut of course a lot of luck and genetic predisposition goes a long way unlike China where it is merely luck and your family's turn at the big shot. Here it was, and probably still is, possible to make your own way on your own innate merit should you choose to do so.
This is what Americans believe, but Americans have some of the lowest economic mobility numbers in the developed world, similar to China's which is not even ranked as a developed nation, I was twice as likely as a Canadian to rise above my socio-economic class than you were, and in fact I did, I wouldn't say I'm rich, but I'm pretty well off, and I'm a heck of a lot richer than my father and mother ever were.
Well that sort of thing is intrinsic to a hustle and bustle emerging market. You're still an upstart yourself in the stratified market sense. Working your way to rival us someday with your 100 million by 2100 immigrant quota :lol:

Not that I'm proud of it.
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Well, what actually happened is that I met a woman who had a mind for business and then I married her, and she got me into thinking the game of capital rather than labour, and turns out I was better at that than I was at working for the man.

I loved working for the Queen, but I don't like working for the man, the prospect of having to go work for the man is what made me hustle.

It's true, I received an inheritance to stake me to the game, but so did your boy Trump, so surely you can't hold it against me.
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Smitty-48 wrote: The idea that America is a nation of yeoman farmers defending their homesteads with their rifles, is a cartoon, America is an imperial hegemon ruling over its own people by a corptocracy as opressive and corrupt as the Chinese Communists, with more of its people imprisoned therein, but in Shanghai, you have the dynamism where the people can hustle to the top of the heap, as Americans used to in America's heyday, whereas now in America, most people have about the same economic mobility as a Chinese peasant, in fact, the Chinese peasant will hustle up a better play than the American now, Americans ain't the go getters they used to be, and they're not even encouraged to be anymore, rhetorically perhaps, but if they actually try to go out and hustle, suddenly they find the game is more rigged in America than it is even in Communist China.

The Chinese in Shanghai may not be more politically free than Americans, but they're more economically free to be rich than Americans in New York.
The US is an informal Empire and the elites have to do a ton of bsing to hide that fact from the public. It's not nearly as oppressive as China. A middle finger like Trump cannot be elected in China.I don't know how many regulations they have but once you become large they will fuck trough the courts if you have no connections. Chinese peasants work harder but the US culture is not filled with Confucian nonsense and rigidity. It's much easier to unrig the game in the US because of a more open electoral system
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Hwen Hoshino wrote:The US is an informal Empire and the elites have to do a ton of bsing to hide that fact from the public. It's not nearly as oppressive as China. A middle finger like Trump cannot be elected in China.I don't know how many regulations they have but once you become large they will fuck trough the courts if you have no connections. Chinese peasants work harder but the US culture is not filled with Confucian nonsense and rigidity. It's much easier to unrig the game in the US because of a more open electoral system
Doesn't alter the course of hegemonic succession, I'm not even asserting that China is going to supplant the United States as the hegemon, nor that America is imminently about to be supplanted, none the less, nothing you have asserted America to be, is actually unique amongst hegemons, you're asserting America to be an "informal" British Hegemon, and the British brought themselves down of their own hand, there's nothing you've asserted which ensures permanent American hegenomy for all time, so I'm not seeing your point.

The British were the global Hegemon from 1763-1916, and then they weren't, 153 years, America has been the Hegemon from 1916-2016, 100 years and counting, but nowhere have you explained how this is going to be the case forever, looking how far America has fallen and how much China has risen, in the last 53 years, the idea that China could never supplant America on this trajectory seems to be hubris rather than supported.
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Hwen Hoshino wrote:The US is an informal Empire and the elites have to do a ton of bsing to hide that fact from the public. It's not nearly as oppressive as China. A middle finger like Trump cannot be elected in China.I don't know how many regulations they have but once you become large they will fuck trough the courts if you have no connections. Chinese peasants work harder but the US culture is not filled with Confucian nonsense and rigidity. It's much easier to unrig the game in the US because of a more open electoral system
Doesn't alter the course of hegemonic succession, I'm not even asserting that China is going to supplant the United States as the hegemon, nor that America is imminently about to be supplanted, none the less, nothing you have asserted America to be, is actually unique amongst hegemons, you're asserting America to be an "informal" British Hegemon, and the British brought themselves down of their own hand, there's nothing you've asserted which ensures permanent American hegenomy for all time, so I'm not seeing your point.
I did not say the US is British or controlled by the Brits or anything like that. The US is fairly unique amongst hegemons because it's founding ideas and how it could use it's culture as PR in a way China will never be able to use it. Where did i say the US will be a Hegemon forever?
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Hwen Hoshino wrote:Where did i say the US will be a Hegemon forever?
What is your point then?
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Persians were unique once.
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Hwen Hoshino wrote:Where did i say the US will be a Hegemon forever?
What is your point then?
My original point was that the US has the unique ability to get soft power trough its culture and government structure inherited from the Founders while others cannot.