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Post by DBTrek » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:17 pm

Why can’t the Russians just send their agents to set up computer support companies for the DNC like the Pakistanis do?

Guess those Russkies still haven’t figured out how to exploit crony capitalism to get everything they want.
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Post by Penner » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:20 pm

Martin Hash wrote:Seth Rich level?

So, are you implying that you believe that Russia killed Seth Rich?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:21 pm

Martin Hash wrote:Seth Rich level?

If all they did was just shoot the guy, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:22 pm

If NATO can prove that they released a chemical weapon on British soil, there will be some consequences. I don't know how far they will take it, but it's not going to be Obama-style red line bullshit.

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Post by Penner » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:23 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:Seth Rich level?

If all they did was just shoot the guy, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Russians probably have acted on American soil before, why not kill Seth Rich and let the crazy homegrown conspiracy theirs grow. They get off, no one looks at them, and they spark a crazy conspiracy theory that literally pins the opponent they don't like (Putin never liked Clinton) and gives their old boy Trump a boost?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:25 pm

Penner wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:Seth Rich level?

If all they did was just shoot the guy, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Russians probably have acted on American soil before, why not kill Seth Rich and let the crazy homegrown conspiracy theirs grow. They get off, no one looks at them, and they spark a crazy conspiracy theory that literally pins the opponent they don't like (Putin never liked Clinton) and gives their old boy Trump a boost?

If they killed somebody like civilized fucking spies, we can deal with that shit the way we always have. But if they are releasing chemical weapons in the middle of our cities, we have a really big fucking problem. I don't know how else to spell this out to you guys. You can't just attack NATO countries with God damned nerve gas without consequences.

There used to be some fucking standards in that trade.

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Post by Penner » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:40 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Penner wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

If all they did was just shoot the guy, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Russians probably have acted on American soil before, why not kill Seth Rich and let the crazy homegrown conspiracy theirs grow. They get off, no one looks at them, and they spark a crazy conspiracy theory that literally pins the opponent they don't like (Putin never liked Clinton) and gives their old boy Trump a boost?

If they killed somebody like civilized fucking spies, we can deal with that shit the way we always have. But if they are releasing chemical weapons in the middle of our cities, we have a really big fucking problem. I don't know how else to spell this out to you guys. You can't just attack NATO countries with God damned nerve gas without consequences.

There used to be some fucking standards in that trade.
They literally, released radiation in a crowded sushi restaurant. Do you really think they care about "starting a war with the West"? Hell, they probably already think that they are already at war with the West.Also, Russia just doesn't fucking care what you think. Russia is going to do what Russia is going to do, IMO, and fuck the West. If they want someone assassinated in London then they will do it. The nerve agent was probably a sign of, "don't fuck with us, ever". I mean they could've just shot the guy and his daughter but they didn't but used a nerve agent.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:42 pm

Penner wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Penner wrote:
Russians probably have acted on American soil before, why not kill Seth Rich and let the crazy homegrown conspiracy theirs grow. They get off, no one looks at them, and they spark a crazy conspiracy theory that literally pins the opponent they don't like (Putin never liked Clinton) and gives their old boy Trump a boost?

If they killed somebody like civilized fucking spies, we can deal with that shit the way we always have. But if they are releasing chemical weapons in the middle of our cities, we have a really big fucking problem. I don't know how else to spell this out to you guys. You can't just attack NATO countries with God damned nerve gas without consequences.

There used to be some fucking standards in that trade.
They literally, released radiation in a crowded sushi restaurant. Do you really think they care about "starting a war with the West"? Hell, they probably already think that they are already at war with the West.Also, Russia just doesn't fucking care what you think. Russia is going to do what Russia is going to do, IMO, and fuck the West. If they want someone assassinated in London then they will do it. The nerve agent was probably a sign of, "don't fuck with us, ever". I mean they could've just shot the guy and his daughter but they didn't but used a nerve agent.

There's literally radiation everywhere.

Releasing a chemical weapon is a war crime, Penner.

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Post by Penner » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:37 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Penner wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

If they killed somebody like civilized fucking spies, we can deal with that shit the way we always have. But if they are releasing chemical weapons in the middle of our cities, we have a really big fucking problem. I don't know how else to spell this out to you guys. You can't just attack NATO countries with God damned nerve gas without consequences.

There used to be some fucking standards in that trade.
They literally, released radiation in a crowded sushi restaurant. Do you really think they care about "starting a war with the West"? Hell, they probably already think that they are already at war with the West.Also, Russia just doesn't fucking care what you think. Russia is going to do what Russia is going to do, IMO, and fuck the West. If they want someone assassinated in London then they will do it. The nerve agent was probably a sign of, "don't fuck with us, ever". I mean they could've just shot the guy and his daughter but they didn't but used a nerve agent.

There's literally radiation everywhere.

Releasing a chemical weapon is a war crime, Penner.
And releasing radiation and killing a British citizen isn't a war crime either?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Penner wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Penner wrote:
They literally, released radiation in a crowded sushi restaurant. Do you really think they care about "starting a war with the West"? Hell, they probably already think that they are already at war with the West.Also, Russia just doesn't fucking care what you think. Russia is going to do what Russia is going to do, IMO, and fuck the West. If they want someone assassinated in London then they will do it. The nerve agent was probably a sign of, "don't fuck with us, ever". I mean they could've just shot the guy and his daughter but they didn't but used a nerve agent.

There's literally radiation everywhere.

Releasing a chemical weapon is a war crime, Penner.
And releasing radiation and killing a British citizen isn't a war crime either?

Not that I know of. It's just a crime in the UK, but the people who did it likely had diplomatic immunity.

Which is why I would expect at least one result of this will be for the UK to expel most of the Russian diplomats from the country if it is proven Russia was behind this, since probably half of them are either spies or facilitate the espionage work in the first place. This will mean that Russia has to resort to illegals to carry out such attacks, and those guys -- when caught -- can potentially be executed.

But releasing a chemical weapon inside the host country is something else entirely. That goes way beyond just the diplomatic immunity stuff and the difference between the legal and illegal spies. That's actually an act of war (though I doubt they will pursue it as such) and it's certainly against international law to use such weapons unprovoked.