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[Smitty-48]

I don't think tactical nukes in that limited case would set off the Russians or the Chinese. As long as their territory is not affected by fallout, it should be okay.

That's what I'm saying, but, that's not a deterrent, that's not going to deter them from using their hydrogen bombs in a crisis situation, the counterforce does not deter, it only preempts, but if you don't actually preempt, then you got nothing.

See, this is where it's gonna get real dangerous real fast, if don't preempt them sooner rather than later, and then later you get into the Korean Missile Crisis, and they don't have to worry about the Curtis Lemay option coming back at them.

The counterforce is not an existential threat, the regime would survive the counterforce, no existential threat, no existential deterrent, no existential deterrent; Redwings over the CONUS.

[ssu]

Btw, here's a memorial to those fallen on the Peninsula after the Armstice.



The memorial up close shows when US soldiers were killed there.



During 1966-1969 the war came so hot that they called the DMZ conflict even as "The Second Korean War".
If the DMZ Conflict of 1966-1969 isn't know to people, here's an old documentary from the times from 1969.

About the conflict in the DMZ starting from 21 min 43s:


So basically this isn't a war that will likely explode into an all-out nuclear war. The bigger incident, the more carefull have both sides become. Or at least, that's the way it has been.

Now it's just harsh words and missile and nuke tests.

[Smitty-48]

So basically this isn't a war that will likely explode into an all-out nuclear war.

First of all, you're wrong, because you are in the liberal media orthodoxy which asserts this North Korean nuclear program to be "a deterrent, cause regime change", which is a misreading of the situation by projecting a posture onto the NK's which is not actaully what they're up to.

Second, you can't operate on "likely wont explode" when you're talking about nuclear deterrence, you have a deterrent, or you don't, and if you don't, against a regime like North Korea armed with hydrogen bombs, you are in extreme peril by default.

Russia, China, deterred, because there is a massive retaliation option, but a doomsday therein, but, not so for North Korea.

That doomsday with Russia and China, prevents the United States from massively retaliating against North Korea if/when North Korea launches a limited nuclear war against the CONUS, thus, the United States has no actual deterrent in place against a North Korean limited nuclear strike against the CONUS, it's rhetorical, but it's not real.

And when the United States finally clues into what the North Koreans are actually up to, then you'll have a Korean Missile Crisis at somepoint, except this time, it's not with Khruschev, and you don't have Curtis Lemay deterring with a existential retaliation.

To wit, with North Korea specifically, there is no MAD in effect.

[TheReal_ND]

How do you say sauna? I say it like saw-na.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nonsense. Russia and China have no excuse to launch on the US after we've been hit by NK. The entire world would take turns lobbing fire at them.

[Smitty-48]

Nonsense. Russia and China have no excuse to launch on the US after we've been hit by NK. The entire world would take turns lobbing fire at them.

Yeah, well, this is where StA is right, bourgeois liberal naivete could get a whole lot of Americans killed here, and the CONUS devastated therein, because if you think the Russians and Chinese wouldn't love to see America get its commuppance via North Korean nuclear strike, and then after, you think they would even allow, never mind assist the United States to massively retaliate with nuclear weapons, you're even more delusional than I thought.

This is the dream scenario for the Russians and Chinese, somebody other than them nukes America, and America is shit out of luck when it comes to massively retaliating, and the Russians and Chinese can then just move in to pick at the bones after the Americans are crippled.

[Speaker to Animals]

That program must be destroyed asap.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's a simple calculus too. The liberal media is fucking retarded for not understanding it.

We are at war with North Korea, but there exists a CF. The North Koreans hate that CF and want to continue their conquest of the entire peninsula. Once the North Koreans are able to launch fusion bombs at US cities with yields in the megatons range, there is nothing stopping them from continuing the offensive. 90% of their population is disposable to them. None of our population is disposable to us.

They damned well know our liberals would demand we surrender the peninsula in the face of a nuclear strike on one of more of our cities.




War is here. It might be tomorrow. It might be a few years from now. But as long as we keep down this path of appeasement, we are going to fight that war and the longer we appease them the worse our fatalities will be.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nonsense. Russia and China have no excuse to launch on the US after we've been hit by NK. The entire world would take turns lobbing fire at them.

Yeah, well, this is where StA is right, bourgeois liberal naivete could get a whole lot of Americans killed here, and the CONUS devastated therein, because if you think the Russians and Chinese wouldn't love to see America get its commuppance via North Korean nuclear strike, and then after, you think they would even allow, never mind assist the United States to massively retaliate with nuclear weapons, you're even more delusional than I thought.

This is the dream scenario for the Russians and Chinese, somebody other than them nukes America, and America is shit out of luck when it comes to massively retaliating, and the Russians and Chinese can then just move in to pick at the bones after the Americans are crippled.

They wouldn't be given the option to object until birds are in re-entry. And they would be, before the norks even detonated their final mistake.

This is not a question of being "allowed" to retaliate. If we didn't respond before the missile got here, the government would fall the next day.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, again, "birds on reentry", that's delusional, this is a witches brew, the combination of liberal naivete that the Russians and Chinese are going to save America, and that America has a massive countervalue retaliation option against the NK's therein. The GrumpyCat deterrent; rhetorical, not real.

So reality check, how it really goes down;

As soon as it went down, the Russians and Chinese would pounce, they wouldn't blame North Korea, the blame would be placed on America for "provoking the situation with its Imperial Hubris", they wouldn't assist the Americans, they would press their advantage and exploit the situtation to maximum effect, the Russians and Chinese would condemn the United States as the "warmongers" who simply got their commupance for it, and who now need to be restrained, lest they be allowed to provoke an all out nuclear war.