THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Penner]

I want to make sure we are all crystal clear about what is being argued by the left here.

Is it a correct summarization to state that the democrats make the claim that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC and exposing their corruption and criminal conspiracies to the electorate, thereby costing them enough votes for them to lose the election?

No, that's your fucking bullshit.

Why don't you read what your officials actually say and not just what somebody tells you what they intrepret them saying? The one's you think are on the leash of the evil Clintons.

Moscow’s use of disclosures during the US election was unprecedented, but its influence campaign otherwise followed a longstanding Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, statefunded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”

We assess that influence campaigns are approved at the highest levels of the Russian Government—particularly those that would be politically sensitive. Moscow’s campaign aimed at the US election reflected years of investment in its capabilities, which Moscow has honed in the former Soviet states.

By their nature, Russian influence campaigns are multifaceted and designed to be deniable because they use a mix of agents of influence, cutouts, front organizations, and false-flag operations. Moscow demonstrated this during the Ukraine crisis in 2014, when Russia deployed forces and advisers to eastern Ukraine and denied it publicly.

But you just look at the the hackings, that were part of a larger campaign, and just tell yourself it was a huge conspiracy where Hillary invented that it was the poor innocent Russians, who never did anything. You just think the election silly season is still on.

Denial is strong here, IMO. And a lot of the old Trump supporters are still in denial that their boy Trump had state-sponsored hackers on his side (and no, I am not accusing Trump of being involved and/or participating in the hackings but to deny that Russia wasn't involved- at this point- is pretty redicoulsy annoying. The facts are all pointing to Russia and yeah, Russia does love to troll the internet with their own hired trolls and RT is just Russia propaganda mostly aimed at the angry in the US) but still, there is still a lot of haters of the Clintons, that would never vote for her (nor her husband), but for the most part what really pisses me off is the way they just brush this off as some kind of DNC revenge tactic and/or just Trump haters hating on him. It' not and once they stop yelling, "fake news" or "show me the evidence/how the CIA/FBI/NSA got their info (and we all know that the CIA/FBI/NSA will never reveal how they would know to the public- until like probably decades later or a whistleblower.... so when that is presented it becomes like talking a wall and/or someone who is happy to keep his head in the sand over things). But where the real damage, IMO, came from was probably swaying Bernie Sanders' supporters who probably would've voted for Clinton (because of two main things, a) Bernie was working on getting Clinton elected during the general campaign and b) they hated Trump) and instead most of them likely didn't go to the polls that day and/or voted for a third party candiate.

[Okeefenokee]

I know some of these people. I had long drawn out debates with them during the campaign. I'm not exaggerating. I've gotten them so hot they admit they don't care what she does. She can break any law, they don't care. They were so sold on the nuclear Hitler narrative that they'd openly admit the need to elect a criminal to save the nation. So, of course they don't care about even more unsavory info getting leaked, except that it's aimed at hurting their wonder woman, and ZOMG, The Russians!

[Okeefenokee]

The facts are all pointing to Russia

What facts?

[Speaker to Animals]

The facts are all pointing to Russia

What facts?

Seriously, man. It's fucking lunacy.

[Penner]

I know some of these people. I had long drawn out debates with them during the campaign. I'm not exaggerating. I've gotten them so hot they admit they don't care what she does. She can break any law, they don't care. They were so sold on the nuclear Hitler narrative that they'd openly admit the need to elect a criminal to save the nation. So, of course they don't care about even more unsavory info getting leaked, except that it's aimed at hurting their wonder woman, and ZOMG, The Russians!

Again. when the FBI says that there is nothing to prosecute then there is nothing to prosecute.

Comey described Clinton's email practices as "extremely careless" and noted that there was "evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information." Still, Comey said that "no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" against Clinton, and the Justice Department formally closed the investigation Wednesday.

The FBI's decision not to recommend charges seemed to have come down to a question of intent, according to Comey.



"Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges," Comey said at a Tuesday press conference. "There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent."

Some legal experts say carelessness doesn't constitute sufficient intent for a prosecutor to bring a case against Clinton.

"There are lots of statutes that deal with the mishandling of classified information, but what they all have in common is that it's intentionally or knowingly reckless, not careless," Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law School lecturer who specializes in criminal law, told Business Insider. "If carelessness were sufficient, we would have indicted half the government."

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-didn ... ton-2016-7

[Okeefenokee]

Another WaPo article with an unnamed source. So many facts.

[ssu]

I know some of these people. I had long drawn out debates with them during the campaign. I'm not exaggerating. I've gotten them so hot they admit they don't care what she does. She can break any law, they don't care. They were so sold on the nuclear Hitler narrative that they'd openly admit the need to elect a criminal to save the nation. So, of course they don't care about even more unsavory info getting leaked, except that it's aimed at hurting their wonder woman, and ZOMG, The Russians!

So are you really saying it wasn't the Russians? That it really is just a DNC lead conspiracy in which some GOP party members and the intelligence services have ganged up on Trump???

The election is over. She lost, he won.

In a few weeks Trump will be the President.

[Okeefenokee]

I know some of these people. I had long drawn out debates with them during the campaign. I'm not exaggerating. I've gotten them so hot they admit they don't care what she does. She can break any law, they don't care. They were so sold on the nuclear Hitler narrative that they'd openly admit the need to elect a criminal to save the nation. So, of course they don't care about even more unsavory info getting leaked, except that it's aimed at hurting their wonder woman, and ZOMG, The Russians!

So are you really saying it wasn't the Russians? That it really is just a DNC lead conspiracy in which some GOP party members and the intelligence services have ganged up on Trump???

The election is over. She lost, he won.

In a few weeks Trump will be the President.

Doesn't matter who it was. The CIA, FBI, et al have no credibility.

This is all stage production to try to make the losing voters feel better. Rather than thinking they picked a shit candidate or are out of touch with what everyone not in a cloistered city thinks, they're being soothed with a Russian boogeyman. So, instead of reflection, and possibly switching sides, the base is being solidified with this specter of the ominous Russian. This is the party bosses keeping the voters distracted lest they reflect too much and the party falls apart.

If Hillary had won, you would have never heard word one about any Russian hacking. This isn't about Russia. It's about the dems trying to hold their party together.

[ssu]

Doesn't matter who it was. The CIA, FBI, et al have no credibility.

Think so? No credibility? None whatsoever? You put the US armed forces in that category too? Part of government also, you know.

Because that's the problem I have here: what the fuck will be different with that attitude in a couple of weeks when it is the Trump administration in charge? Whoope, new directors. Yeah, yet I think the departments stand to their findings even then. Yet when they have no credibility, then they have none.

This is all stage production to try to make the losing voters feel better. Rather than thinking they picked a shit candidate or are out of touch with what everyone not in a cloistered city thinks, they're being soothed with a Russian boogeyman. So, instead of reflection, and possibly switching sides, the base is being solidified with this specter of the ominous Russian. This is the party bosses keeping the voters distracted lest they reflect too much and the party falls apart.

No, it's not.

If Russia can do it to you, even with being caught in the act, yet it's totally OK, no hard feelings, then I guess every US ally is fair game. It's a dangerous precedent.

If Hillary had won, you would have never heard word one about any Russian hacking. This isn't about Russia. It's about the dems trying to hold their party together.

Oh you would have. Other thing would have been if people would have noticed it with all the hype about impeachment going on By the GOP and pissed off Trump supporters.

Likely Hillary is the kind of person who really wouldn't have forgotten it.

[TheReal_ND]

So, instead of reflection, and possibly switching sides, the base is being solidified with this specter of the ominous Russian.

Correct

If Russia can do it to you, even with being caught in the act, yet it's totally OK, no hard feelings, then I guess every US ally is fair game. It's a dangerous precedent.

One set by Chyna several times. Remember when the administration got panicked about Chyna stealing millions of federal government employee identities? Me neither.