THE ERA OF TRUMP

[K@th]

So no border security measures because none of them single handedly fix the entire problem, that sounds like a great idea! Who needs border security if it doesn't stop all illegal immigration?

Kath, you're an idiot, straight up.

Enforce the law (employers not allowed to hire illegal immigrants,) and dry up the bennies for illegal immigrants.

No jobs, no goodies? No problem. Added bonus, it doesn't cost billions.

[StCapps]

So no border security measures because none of them single handedly fix the entire problem, that sounds like a great idea! Who needs border security if it doesn't stop all illegal immigration?

Kath, you're an idiot, straight up.

Enforce the law (employers not allowed to hire illegal immigrants,) and dry up the bennies for illegal immigrants.

No jobs, no goodies? No problem. Added bonus, it doesn't cost billions.

You can do that and strengthen the border, you aren't saving enough money and you're solution doesn't fix the problem all by itself either, idiota.

Why should the US spend any money on a solution that won't single handedly fix the problem? Enforcing the law doesn't solve the issue in and of itself, so why enforce the law? You are applying the same idiotic logic to the wall, because you have no real argument against it, other than you'd rather spend money on other measures that will reduce illegal immigration. You have no good reason why the wall can't be part of the plan, if it's too expensive then build a cheaper a wall, and focus resources elsewhere, that doesn't mean you don't need multiple border security improvements.

[K@th]

Here's a very inexpensive idea that should cover a huge part of the problem.

Capps - Wait, wut? You need to spend billions! Billions I sayz! No problem can be solved without spending billions!!!!!!!!

[StCapps]

Here's a very inexpensive idea that should cover a huge part of the problem.

Capps - Wait, wut? You need to spend billions! Billions I sayz! No problem can be solved without spending billions!!!!!!!!

Not this one. Border Security is federal jurisdication, spending nothing is stupid. There is no cheap inexpensive solution that will make all border security unnecessary, just because you wish that there was, that doesn't make it so. The free market isn't going to fix this all on it's own Kath, you got to spend if you want to shore up border security and reduce incentives for illegal immigration, those are just the facts on the ground, and hyper-fiscal conservatism isn't a winning argument on this.

[K@th]

FFS - we already have border security and huge stretches of wall and/or fence. We need to fix the problem internally. As long as there is incentive to be here (jobs & bennies,) they will keep coming. Build a 60 foot wall? Buy a 70 foot ladder.

But, IT HAS TO BE EXPENSIVE TO WORK!!!

[StCapps]

FFS - we already have border security and huge stretches of wall and/or fence. We need to fix the problem internally. As long as there is incentive to be here (jobs & bennies,) they will keep coming. Build a 60 foot wall? Buy a 70 foot ladder.

But, IT HAS TO BE EXPENSIVE TO WORK!!!

Your border security sucks, you need to fix the problem internally, but you can't ignore half the equation and pretend there is no external issue, there obviously is. Fix both, do not address only one half of the problem, you're Ms. Half Measures, in the name of fiscal conservatism, and that's a losing position. You can have an internal solution to reduce illegal immigration, and keep the wall too, it's not either or, you can have your cake and eat it too.

It won't be that expensive either, you're just pretending it will, because you have no good argument to back up the assertion that border security is a waste of money, so you reach by pretending that only internal solutions can fix the problem, and secure borders are completely irrelevant.

[K@th]

It's not half the problem, though. About 70% of illegal immigrants get here legally and overstay. It's a ridiculous ROI to build an expensive wall. We need to fix the problem internally. I can't be more clear.

[StCapps]

It's not half the problem, though. About 70% of illegal immigrants get here legally and overstay. It's a ridiculous ROI to build an expensive wall. We need to fix the problem internally. I can't be more clear.

The wall sells the other fixes better than the other fixes without the wall sell themselves, if you want to fix the problem, leaving the wall out of it to save a few billion, that it isn't the way to go about it, that's just poor salesmanship. I'll grant you that internal problem is bigger than the external one, but that doesn't mean you should do nothing about the external problem and focus only on the internal problems, that's half measures, focus on both, that's the winning formula, excluding increased border security from the solution, that makes no sense.

[SuburbanFarmer]

They don't even have to overstay the visa. H1B is beating the shit out of our innovation sector, no laws broken at all.

This is really just about little brown people picking vegetables and RUINING MUH KULCHUR!!! Whilst the real issue floats overhead in business class.

[Smitty-48]

About 70% of illegal immigrants get here legally and overstay. It's a ridiculous ROI to build an expensive wall. We need to fix the problem internally.

Facial recognition software + terrifying paramilitary immigration police force.

HAL 9000 meet Sheriff Joe.