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[SuburbanFarmer]

That drivel is exactly the type of thing that Jordan Peterson rails against and justly so. There is no optimism in nihilism. Just excuses not to have responsibilities.

Be more clear. I'm pretty confident that St. Peterson would agree with this, were he not wrapped up in Christian dogma.

This is not a pitch for hedonism, or self-interest, btw. Simply knowing ones objective place in the universe.

The last line of that: "Do the things that make you feel good. You get to decide whatever this means for you."

So simply because the slate gets wiped clean because in the end, nothing matters, allows you do whatever feels good for you? And "bonus points" if you help people? If nothing matters, then why should 'bonus points' matter? It's all based off of whatever feels good? That could be anything to anyone. I'm sure Peterson would point out that Stalin thought that liquidating millions of people felt good because it was right in his mind. Same goes for the Columbine shooters. Getting your jollies, whatever they may be, because the cosmic slate is eventually wiped clean is dangerous.

Fortunately, healthy human beings have an ingrained sense of empathy and joy, when helping others.

I get the argument that you're making, but any intelligent person will quickly realize that hedonism leads to a cardboard box under a bridge somewhere, eventually. It's scary taking off the security blanket of dogma, but that's what the universe is. Find a way to deal with it, or the cognitive dissonance will destroy you.

Stalin was a sociopath of the highest order, and an absolute ruler. I don't think you need to worry about many people finding themselves free to destroy civilizations on a whim.

[DBTrek]

Zlaxer you fucking chump, you're like the stupid little brother in glad I never had.

[GloryofGreece]

How many people do you think are intelligent, really? And even then "smart" people go that way all the time. Its nihilistic. Its lazy, decadent, self indulgent bullshit.

[apeman]

How many people do you think are intelligent, really? And even then "smart" people go that way all the time. Its nihilistic. Its lazy, decadent, self indulgent bullshit.

Yes.

Aren't all the biggest monsters in history high IQ?

Didn't they think the old rules didn't apply to them?

The "knew better." They "meant good". They were so smart and rational.

[SuburbanFarmer]

How many people do you think are intelligent, really? And even then "smart" people go that way all the time. Its nihilistic. Its lazy, decadent, self indulgent bullshit.

Generally? A vast majority have the potential to be smart. It's a matter of influences that determine their final state.

And sure, you can choose to be a hedonist and sociopath. I simply don't.

Do you feel that this line of thinking should be withheld from the masses because they aren't 'smart enough' to choose for themselves?

[GloryofGreece]

How many people do you think are intelligent, really? And even then "smart" people go that way all the time. Its nihilistic. Its lazy, decadent, self indulgent bullshit.

Generally? A vast majority have the potential to be smart. It's a matter of influences that determine their final state.

And sure, you can choose to be a hedonist and sociopath. I simply don't.

You didn't answer the question. Potential doesn't mean "is". Talent isn't IQ etc. But lets not get into a "what is intelligence" debate. Its tiresome. Sure you can decide to be a sociopath and I can decide to kill you because of that behavior. And?

I believe that line of thinking is not helpful. Its a gloomy narrative at best. Its not useful enough.

[apeman]

You need to recognize your own capacity to do great evil.

[SuburbanFarmer]

How many people do you think are intelligent, really? And even then "smart" people go that way all the time. Its nihilistic. Its lazy, decadent, self indulgent bullshit.

Generally? A vast majority have the potential to be smart. It's a matter of influences that determine their final state.

And sure, you can choose to be a hedonist and sociopath. I simply don't.

You didn't answer the question. Potential doesn't mean "is". Talent isn't IQ etc. But lets not get into a "what is intelligence" debate. Its tiresome. Sure you can decide to be a sociopath and I can decide to kill you because of that behavior. And?

I believe that line of thinking is not helpful. Its a gloomy narrative at best. Its not useful enough.

Well, then perhaps we should develop some moral thinking without religious dogma and "Because God Said So", because if you really believe that's the only thing keeping people in line, then we are pretty fucked. That's much more pessimistic than my view, or that of the video.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You need to recognize your own capacity to do great evil.

I struggle with this, when seeing videos of torture or historical accounts of genocide. I know, objectively, that as a human being, I am fully capable of this behavior. Yet, I really can't comprehend myself carrying out those acts under any circumstance, other than directly against someone threatening my children. One of the great mysteries of human psychology, for sure.

[GloryofGreece]

Generally? A vast majority have the potential to be smart. It's a matter of influences that determine their final state.

And sure, you can choose to be a hedonist and sociopath. I simply don't.

You didn't answer the question. Potential doesn't mean "is". Talent isn't IQ etc. But lets not get into a "what is intelligence" debate. Its tiresome. Sure you can decide to be a sociopath and I can decide to kill you because of that behavior. And?

I believe that line of thinking is not helpful. Its a gloomy narrative at best. Its not useful enough.

Well, then perhaps we should develop some moral thinking without religious dogma and "Because God Said So", because if you really believe that's the only thing keeping people in line, then we are pretty fucked. That's much more pessimistic than my view, or that of the video.

I don't think people need religious dogma. But they need a narrative and/or something sacred to believe in. Generally, yes it centers you.