Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

[Viktorthepirate]

What I want is community and society of men that behave like it.

What we have pumping out of the cities and now indoctrinating every corner of America is what one writer calls the Bonobo Masturbation Society. That's quite apt and describes it well.

You play your video games, watch television sports, and are encouraged to shut the fuck up and isolate yourselves. Your only identities are vacuous commercial identities like sports fandom, or what shows you like to watch, what video games you play, etc.

None of that is truly fulfilling no matter how much you want to convince yourselves. Society requires men to chase after women, constantly worry about whether women find them useful, and then demonizes those men often into suicide when the women dispose of them for new men. It's literally a bonobo society. The Bonobo Masturbation Society.

Fuck that. Isolate the cities and let them live that way without infecting the rest of us.

I get what you're saying. Though Bonobos seem pretty happy with all the fucking and whatnot.

Men need some kind of struggle to be happy, you're right. But you're following that logical path off a cliff.

I "masturbate" to video games and then go to work and am fulfilled with the meaning I get there.

I was fulfilled when I was just an NCO as well. Than I started feeling unfulfilled for various reasons and left.

People can find their own meaning if they roll the dice and take risks.

I feel no pity for men claiming they need struggle and hard work but sit at their fucking job they hate forever. You can find your own if you take risk.

You claim men yearn for that but they don't take the risks that actually create that scenario by their own choices.

I got out of the Army 10 years into a 20 year career. You know how many guys who hated the Army said I was fucking crazy?

To those men, I say go to Africa and help the poor if you crave meaning. But the dirty truth is the same men who botch about that shit are the same ones who won't take any risk because they fear the consequences of failure. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I offered a guy making 50k a year 150k minimum (with room to grow) and he turned me down because his wife won't let him take a job where he is gone 3 weeks a month (except weekends).

I told that guy that money is a means, not an end. I also told him his family is more important than any job. We derive meaning from different things, perhaps his meaning is from raising his daughter. In the end it's for him to decide.

But if that same guy had complained about his salary at his current job or his existential need for struggle I would have told him he is a pussy... because he would be one.

[Speaker to Animals]

Another way of looking at this is through evolutionary psychology.

At some point, complex society emerged in our species as a kind of logical consequence of the sexual dynamics of human social groups. Most women are actually quite happy in a harem belonging to the alpha males that existed in back in the paleolithic (no, I don't think many "alphas" exist today, it's a misnomer when used like that). But primitive societies almost always lose to complex societies unless the complex society is itself dissolving or breaking apart. The first complex societies probably emerged as a kind of social contract between the males that enforced monogamy. Every male gets a mate. He knows within a certain probability that the offspring she brings forth are his own, so he is not wasting his time sacrificing for some other man's progeny. Thus, every man gets a stake in the society. This increases cooperation between males which leads to increasing complexity of culture and a budding economy built around specialization. Most human societies work in this way. In some, males can have more than one woman, but most don't since it's a kind of status for the elite males in the society. Even today in Muslims societies, most men have only one wife, and cannot afford more (and probably have enough drama as it is).

When you break that down as we have been doing since the 1960s with divorce laws that enable women to destroy families for profit, enslave the fathers, etc., and you even go so far as to fucking reward women for having children from multiple fathers outside of marriage by essentially stealing resources from men collectively and handing it over the women.. shit is eventually going to break down. You see the rise of single motherhood as a result, and the dysfunction single motherhood breeds increases as well (there is a reason single mothers were held in contempt by most civilizations throughout history -- because they cause a lot of problems for society).

Then we went out of our way to fuck over almost all of working class men, and probably half of the males who are in the middle class or used to be before economic ruin.

If society doesn't benefit most of the males, it's doomed. End of story. You cannot maintain civilization unless most males are content. Can you honestly look at what we have today and claim that most men have a good deal -- at all?

[brewster]

People can find their own meaning if they roll the dice and take risks.

This. All else is commentary.

[Speaker to Animals]

Again, we can worry about whether women are happy later, since in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. It's an ethical question of how we men should treat them, provide for them, and care for them. But in terms of civilization, women are not really a factor and we should never had made them so. They can't fight us. They don't build civilization either. They just benefit from it.

That's not to say I want to mistreat them as they collectively have mistreated men. I honestly believe men are better at justice than they are, and it's rather apparent from their obvious lack of empathy in general for men and zeal to amass ever more privileges and gibs for themselves even when doing so is slowly breaking down civilization itself.

Civilization is literally an us versus them phenomenon. It's built by men who all belong to a cohesive identity group. But we lost awareness of our identity groups. We are penalized for daring to seek those groups. That is what I mean here. These people are going out of their way to destroy identity groups for the men who actually built American society, demonizes them even, and expects us to sacrifice for the other.

Once you really get that, and I mean you really understand it and "see" it for how it is, you aren't going back. We have to figure out how to form that identity group of men that can collectively put civilization back together. I don't know how best to do that. The Alt-Right wants to make that just white men. That's how it was always done. Maybe it's possible to conceive of an identity group of men that is not inherently racial? I don't know, but I do know we better figure this out really fast.

[Speaker to Animals]

[Okeefenokee]

Speaking of smug, FO, NY.

I wish trech were here to defend Mississippi.

Fucking smart assed yankees.

Seconded.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Government coupled with cultural Marxism.

Strong communities are antithetical to centralized state control, and they are based around male fraternity, which is antithetical to cultural marxism.

Are the critical theory professors kicking down the door to your club house and physically preventing you from forming strong fraternal attachments?

There are plenty of opportunities for male bonding. I know, sometimes you might get called toxic, or catch some side eye for locker room talk, but, as far as I know, it is still perfectly legal to make guy friends.

I am going to toss you this one for free: You are a computers person. Make an online dating app for bros just looking for non-sexual bro bonding time. It is hard to make friends. Harder, maybe than finding lovers, so I think you might be able to really make some cash on this one.

Don't be such a dishonest hack. You know the problem well. They control the media, the government schools, the universities, and most of the government. They go out of their way to ruin the livelihoods of men who speak out against it. The only way men can really speak against it is anonymously on the Internet (for now), and even then when they get doxxed their lives are ruined. Look at what happened to that autist at Google who simply published the facts about women in the workplace within a private memo that later was disseminated. The memo was predicated on how to increase "diversity" -- he was on their side -- but they went after him anyway because he was a male who spoke uncomfortable truths. The situation we find ourselves in today as men is really fucking horrible. Wait till you get your children stolen from you and you get enslaved to the bitch because she wants to empower herself. These are all consequences of the cultural marxism that infected American society starting in the 1960s. The Marxists called this the "Long March through the institutions". I hope we gas them in the end, quite honestly.

Most men are feminized because of this. They have no concept of fraternity, loyalty, or brotherhood whatsoever. It's just eating away society like advanced social cancer. Every fucking day I encounter men who's entire self-worth is built around whether women approve of them and how great a utility they are to females. I don't think many of you realize how fucking far from natural this is.

As far as attempts for online fraternity.. the pagans are doing that now. Go search up the "heathen community" in the context of tribalism. It's happening now in a very low-key way. A lot of men are already checking out of the system. MGTOW is another example of men saying fuck it and checking out of the system. MGTOW is not just men saying fuck off to marriage and longterm relationships with women. It's also a giant fuck you to the corporate culture.

Accepting all that as true, the solution is well within the power of any dissatisfied man. Male bonding isn't contingent on speaking some sort of truth about our oppression at the hands of the broads. What self-respecting man wants to do that for a hobby? Complaining about how unfair life is, or asking society to provide contentment all wrapped up for us? No deeper meaning to be found there, guaran-fucking-teed.

I get that men aren't encouraged to expend time and energy forming meaningful platonic relationships with each other, but guess what, you don't have to do what you are encouraged to do. It is more fun to be a dissident anyway.

I am a huge supporter of masculine bonding time, no homo. Join an MMA gym or a Judo or BJJ club, they are great for that. Know where you can find a shitload of those with different price points to suit just about any man? Fucking cities.

This rural isolationism, men going their own way to pout bullshit is just making this problem of a lack of fraternity worse, because fraternity isn't something you can telecommute to.

Hence the dating-style app. Find cool dudes in your area with your hobbies. Bam, new hunting buddy, and maybe they will want to talk shit on feminists to boot, so bonus, but I wouldn't open with that.

Plus, since "they" own the media, loads of free press to generate new users for BroFinder, as Atlantic, Slate, and Salon articles about its inherent toxicity proliferate.

[nmoore63]

Again, we can worry about whether women are happy later, since in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. It's an ethical question of how we men should treat them, provide for them, and care for them. But in terms of civilization, women are not really a factor and we should never had made them so. They can't fight us. They don't build civilization either. They just benefit from it.

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Civilization is literally an us versus them phenomenon.

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[Speaker to Animals]

Again, we can worry about whether women are happy later, since in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. It's an ethical question of how we men should treat them, provide for them, and care for them. But in terms of civilization, women are not really a factor and we should never had made them so. They can't fight us. They don't build civilization either. They just benefit from it.

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Civilization is literally an us versus them phenomenon.

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[Speaker to Animals]

Are the critical theory professors kicking down the door to your club house and physically preventing you from forming strong fraternal attachments?

There are plenty of opportunities for male bonding. I know, sometimes you might get called toxic, or catch some side eye for locker room talk, but, as far as I know, it is still perfectly legal to make guy friends.

I am going to toss you this one for free: You are a computers person. Make an online dating app for bros just looking for non-sexual bro bonding time. It is hard to make friends. Harder, maybe than finding lovers, so I think you might be able to really make some cash on this one.

Don't be such a dishonest hack. You know the problem well. They control the media, the government schools, the universities, and most of the government. They go out of their way to ruin the livelihoods of men who speak out against it. The only way men can really speak against it is anonymously on the Internet (for now), and even then when they get doxxed their lives are ruined. Look at what happened to that autist at Google who simply published the facts about women in the workplace within a private memo that later was disseminated. The memo was predicated on how to increase "diversity" -- he was on their side -- but they went after him anyway because he was a male who spoke uncomfortable truths. The situation we find ourselves in today as men is really fucking horrible. Wait till you get your children stolen from you and you get enslaved to the bitch because she wants to empower herself. These are all consequences of the cultural marxism that infected American society starting in the 1960s. The Marxists called this the "Long March through the institutions". I hope we gas them in the end, quite honestly.

Most men are feminized because of this. They have no concept of fraternity, loyalty, or brotherhood whatsoever. It's just eating away society like advanced social cancer. Every fucking day I encounter men who's entire self-worth is built around whether women approve of them and how great a utility they are to females. I don't think many of you realize how fucking far from natural this is.

As far as attempts for online fraternity.. the pagans are doing that now. Go search up the "heathen community" in the context of tribalism. It's happening now in a very low-key way. A lot of men are already checking out of the system. MGTOW is another example of men saying fuck it and checking out of the system. MGTOW is not just men saying fuck off to marriage and longterm relationships with women. It's also a giant fuck you to the corporate culture.

Accepting all that as true, the solution is well within the power of any dissatisfied man. Male bonding isn't contingent on speaking some sort of truth about our oppression at the hands of the broads. What self-respecting man wants to do that for a hobby? Complaining about how unfair life is, or asking society to provide contentment all wrapped up for us? No deeper meaning to be found there, guaran-fucking-teed.

I get that men aren't encouraged to expend time and energy forming meaningful platonic relationships with each other, but guess what, you don't have to do what you are encouraged to do. It is more fun to be a dissident anyway.

I am a huge supporter of masculine bonding time, no homo. Join an MMA gym or a Judo or BJJ club, they are great for that. Know where you can find a shitload of those with different price points to suit just about any man? Fucking cities.

This rural isolationism, men going their own way to pout bullshit is just making this problem of a lack of fraternity worse, because fraternity isn't something you can telecommute to.

Hence the dating-style app. Find cool dudes in your area with your hobbies. Bam, new hunting buddy, and maybe they will want to talk shit on feminists to boot, so bonus, but I wouldn't open with that.

Plus, since "they" own the media, loads of free press to generate new users for BroFinder, as Atlantic, Slate, and Salon articles about its inherent toxicity proliferate.

You are attempting to deflect my criticism of society by shitting all over me personally and implying I am less of a man. What you are doing is exactly the kind of shitty feminized behavior I was talking about.

Let's keep this about society and not try to insult each other when we have no response to an argument.