Daniel Shaver shooting

[Smitty-48]

Honestly, nothing surprises me when it comes to Americans and guns, you have a lot of guns, but that doesn't equate to you people using them wisely, just the guy pointing the gun out of the window of a hotel room, in America, completely oblivious apparently, to the sort of response which would inevitably come from doing that.

WTF was he thinking was going to happen? I mean, duh.

[MilSpecs]

American police officers shoot people more often than the police in any other developed country, so this guy here, is hardly the only one on a hair trigger.

Any of you could be packing heat, practically anywhere at anytime, it's no surprise that your police are on edge.

America is a harsh realm, two way range nation.

Price o' freedom. Suck it up.

And it's all relatively new. The mindset of the American public used to be that the shooting of an innocent person by the police was an even worse tragedy than the shooting of a police officer because the police existed to preserve public safety, and as part of that job they ran the risk of being harmed. Somewhere along the way the police were taught that their personal safety was paramount instead of the safety of the public. That is entirely ass backward from how the police should act in ambiguous circumstances. They need to go back to the old philosophy of protect the public first, not themselves.

And they also really need to drop the whole quasi-military thing. The attitude is unsuited to the profession. They need to be more professional. Most I meet are very professional but the macho roided types are out there and should not be tolerated in our forces.

[Smitty-48]

And it's all relatively new.

Nonsense. The police in America have been blowing people away on a hair trigger all along, arguably kicked into high gear in the Wild West when the handgun became ubiquitous.

They just didn't have youtube in the 1880's.

You could have very easily been shot, just for looking at people funny in America, all the way back to the Revolution, it has always been trigger happy nation.

[MilSpecs]

And it's all relatively new.

Nonsense. The police in America have been blowing people away on a hair trigger all along, arguably kicked into high gear in the Wild West when the handgun became ubiquitous.

They just didn't have youtube in the 1880's.

That's not how modern era policing took place until recently.

[Smitty-48]

And it's all relatively new.

Nonsense. The police in America have been blowing people away on a hair trigger all along, arguably kicked into high gear in the Wild West when the handgun became ubiquitous.

They just didn't have youtube in the 1880's.

That's not how modern era policing took place until recently.

Again, nonsense, people getting blown away by the police in America, for my entire lifetime, which is back to the 70's, and my father grew up in California in the 50's, and he always said the LAPD was even worse back then, and they had no oversight whatsoever.

Yeah, they mostly shot black people downtown, but even on my father's street, way out in Glendale, some kid got shot for being a "prowler". Wasn't armed, they gave him no warning, they just blew him away for being in someones yard.

[MilSpecs]

Nonsense. The police in America have been blowing people away on a hair trigger all along, arguably kicked into high gear in the Wild West when the handgun became ubiquitous.

They just didn't have youtube in the 1880's.

That's not how modern era policing took place until recently.

Again, nonsense, people getting blown away by the police in America, for my entire lifetime, which is back to the 70's, and my father grew up in California in the 50's, and he always said the LAPD was even worse back then, and they had no oversight whatsoever.

Yeah, they mostly shot black people downtown, but even on my father's street, way out in Glendale, some kid got shot for being a "prowler". Wasn't armed, they gave him no warning, they just blew him away for being in someones yard.

People sometimes got shot, but more often beat up. Survivable at least. The concept of police deliberately killing someone when they weren't sure was rare and considered appalling. Brooklyn cops beat you up but didn't execute you.

[Smitty-48]

We used to travel to visit my family in California, and when I reached a certain age, my father said "now, son, never forget, the police down here are nothing like the police in Canada, if a policeman down here tells you to do something, you do not lip him back, do exactly what he says, and I mean exactly, because the police shoot people down here all the time, even kids, so you have to be very careful around them".

And tell you what, if you think the LAPD and CHP were not "paramilitary" tactical in the 70's and 80s? Yeah, you're mistaken.

Ask Dan Carlin about it, he grew up in LA, why do you think he's so afraid of the police?

[MilSpecs]

We used to travel to visit my family in California, and when I reached a certain age, my father said "now, son, never forget, the police down here are nothing like the police in Canada, if a policeman down here tells you to do something, you do not lip him back, do exactly what he says, and I mean exactly, because the police shoot people down here all the time, even kids, so you have to be very careful around them".

And tell you what, if you think the LAPD and CHP were not "paramilitary" tactical in the 70's and 80s? Yeah, you're mistaken.

Ask Dan Carlin about it, he grew up in LA, why do you think he's so afraid of the police?

Our cops were pretty reasonable about using force, other than the occasional beatings. I was only in confrontation with an LA cop once (actually immigration) in the 70s and nothing came from it. I didn't like his attitude and made my displeasure known. He went away and that was that.

[Smitty-48]

We used to travel to visit my family in California, and when I reached a certain age, my father said "now, son, never forget, the police down here are nothing like the police in Canada, if a policeman down here tells you to do something, you do not lip him back, do exactly what he says, and I mean exactly, because the police shoot people down here all the time, even kids, so you have to be very careful around them".

And tell you what, if you think the LAPD and CHP were not "paramilitary" tactical in the 70's and 80s? Yeah, you're mistaken.

Ask Dan Carlin about it, he grew up in LA, why do you think he's so afraid of the police?

Our cops were pretty reasonable about using force, other than the occasional beatings. I was only in confrontation with an LA cop once (actually immigration) in the 70s and nothing came from it. I didn't like his attitude and made my displeasure known. He went away and that was that.

Rare for them to shoot women, 95% of people shot by the police in America are male.

You getting into an argument with a cop, me getting into an argument with a cop, two totally different ballgames, he's not looking at you as a threat.

[MilSpecs]

Our cops were pretty reasonable about using force, other than the occasional beatings. I was only in confrontation with an LA cop once (actually immigration) in the 70s and nothing came from it. I didn't like his attitude and made my displeasure known. He went away and that was that.

Rare for them to shoot women, 95% of people shot by the police in America are male.

You getting into an argument with a cop, me getting into an argument with a cop, two totally different ballgames, he's not looking at you as a threat.

Different kind of a threat. You are a potential physical threat. I can just cause him trouble. I assume he didn't want trouble.