The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

[SuburbanFarmer]

@Hanarchy
You seem surprised that there have been lots of Ethno States in history, that also weren't a dystopia. That should not be news.
/shrugs

Could that be because they... started that way?

In some cases yes, in some cases no. This assumption that forming an Ethno State from scratch automatically leads to dystopia, simply not backed by the historical record.

Could you please point out a single example of an ethno-state that did NOT start that way, and did not involve a genocide? I'm drooling in anticipation.

[StCapps]

I am just surprised that people believe that creating states doesn't usually have violence for a handmaiden.

No one has stated that opinion.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Sad.

Pages and pages with still no answer on how StA will mitigate Latino domestic birth rates hitting 51% with his mandated white majority US rule.

But if he just rages hard enough for another 20 pages maybe he can pull in another low-info doofus like StCapps to rally.

Rage on, clown.
America isn’t even listening to you.
(But Canadian doofuses are, so it’s a start)

In all fairness, I believe he said that, once the demographic tip happens, that is it. Game over, too bad. No more extreme policies need be feared.

And, occasionally, laments that this will meen the end of vigorous scientific research and development and stuff... which, yes, is a little racist.

Sorry, StA, but that particular idea is kinda racist.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I am just surprised that people believe that creating states doesn't usually have violence for a handmaiden.

No one has stated that opinion.

......except that's been the entire basis of this string of idiocy. We've been told that we need only 'restrict immigration', in order to have a 'white majority'.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I am just surprised that people believe that creating states doesn't usually have violence for a handmaiden.

No one has stated that opinion.

Good, so we agree that carving out a white ethno-state will probably be a violent process... based on the historical record.

[StCapps]

I am just surprised that people believe that creating states doesn't usually have violence for a handmaiden.

No one has stated that opinion.

......except that's been the entire basis of this string of idiocy. We've been told that we need only 'restrict immigration', in order to have a 'white majority'.

I advised reforming the state, not creating a new one. So stop putting words in my mouth. Add a notwithstanding clause to your constitution, no dystopia required.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

No one has stated that opinion.

......except that's been the entire basis of this string of idiocy. We've been told that we need only 'restrict immigration', in order to have a 'white majority'.

I advised reforming the state, not creating a new one. So stop putting words in my mouth.

OOOOOH. That is a huge difference. Reforming the state... like turning Weimar into the Reich.



You fucking goober.

[StCapps]

OOOOOH. That is a huge difference. Reforming the state... like turning Weimar into the Reich.



You fucking goober.

I advised reform along a Canadian model, much like Quebec, yet you keep jumping to Nazi Germany, as if that is the only model a White Ethno State within America could follow. Get a better imagination, a dystopia is not required to create a White Ethno State.

[Speaker to Animals]

Most ethno-states weren't created through partition and balkanization. They grew up around an existing homogeneous group, or out of a colony with existing, separate, laws.

This isn't what would be happening in the US. The historical record, the actual one, not the counterfactual one in your imagination, is not on your side.

Creating new states is not a peaceful process, as a general rule.

Actually, yeah, for the most part, that's exactly how nation states are formed. Poland and Lithuania are two separate nations now for a reason. Scotland is free to fuck off from England for a reason. I don't see Serbia as part of Austria and I can name about six little nations of people who want fuck all to do with Russia.

Well, see, now we have gotten back to the fact that you seem to define almost all nation states as ethno-states.

And, the history of Serbia and Austria isn't rosy. In fact, the whole of the Balkans has been less than rosy, which is why the sort of Balkanization being suggested is usually treated with, at least, a little suspicion. The current situation between Russian and ex-USSR states isn't rosy. The history of England and Ireland or Scotland, or the US isn't rosy.

Peaceful partition is the exception.

Nah, man.

Europeans are only now starting to acquire the same sense of racial identity that emerged in the United States over the past two centuries or so. Until very recently, an ethno-state in Europe was literally a nation state, and quite a lot of their wars were really about nations of people trying to break away from multi-ethnic empires. The multi-ethnic empire looks good on paper, but rarely works out for long in practice. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was the classic example of what theoretically should have been the superpower of the twentieth century but failed because the individual ethnicities couldn't get along. It just disintegrated and dragged all of Europe into WW1 with it's disintegration. WW2 was arguably an extension or resumption of hostilities that began with WW1, but the entire shtick of the axis powers was a return to ethnic nation states instead of the multi-ethnic empires (like Great Britain).

The multi-ethnic empire faction was saved by the Soviets and the fact that America joined. But America, though a nation of immigrants from multiple ethnicities, was framed as a "white" nation. We basically invented the idea of whiteness here. It's how we assimilated people into one nationality. What we call American culture is the synthesis of all the ethnic cultures and values of Caucasian peoples.

The big lie here is that we can somehow extend that process to nonwhites. It doesn't make any sense. You can't integrate nonwhites into a common white culture. This idea backfired recently, which is why now we have the Multi-Cult -- the idea that everybody can just come here and retain their own ethnicities and cultures within the borders of the United States, and that's perfectly okay. That's where several of you are right now. The problem is that most of the nonwhites coming here are coming here as colonizers. Especially the Latinos. They are very motivated in their mission to replace and colonize us. Their ethno-nationalist organization, La Raza, controls benches in federal courts, state legislature seats, and even at least one congressman (Gutierrez is an avowed ethno-nationalist). You guys just don't want to recognize it because it's difficult to process that you quickly reaching the point the Indians once found themselves in.

Theoretically, you could argue that we could just create some new pan-human ethnic conscious, but I think evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. The people coming here are for the most part ethno-nationalists themselves who are intent on colonizing us.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Actually, yeah, for the most part, that's exactly how nation states are formed. Poland and Lithuania are two separate nations now for a reason. Scotland is free to fuck off from England for a reason. I don't see Serbia as part of Austria and I can name about six little nations of people who want fuck all to do with Russia.

Well, see, now we have gotten back to the fact that you seem to define almost all nation states as ethno-states.

And, the history of Serbia and Austria isn't rosy. In fact, the whole of the Balkans has been less than rosy, which is why the sort of Balkanization being suggested is usually treated with, at least, a little suspicion. The current situation between Russian and ex-USSR states isn't rosy. The history of England and Ireland or Scotland, or the US isn't rosy.

Peaceful partition is the exception.

Nah, man.

Europeans are only now starting to acquire the same sense of racial identity that emerged in the United States over the past two centuries or so. Until very recently, an ethno-state in Europe was literally a nation state, and quite a lot of their wars were really about nations of people trying to break away from multi-ethnic empires. The multi-ethnic empire looks good on paper, but rarely works out for long in practice. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was the classic example of what theoretically should have been the superpower of the twentieth century but failed because the individual ethnicities couldn't get along. It just disintegrated and dragged all of Europe into WW1 with it's disintegration. WW2 was arguably an extension or resumption of hostilities that began with WW1, but the entire shtick of the axis powers was a return to ethnic nation states instead of the multi-ethnic empires (like Great Britain).

The multi-ethnic empire faction was saved by the Soviets and the fact that America joined. But America, though a nation of immigrants from multiple ethnicities, was framed as a "white" nation. We basically invented the idea of whiteness here. It's how we assimilated people into one nationality. What we call American culture is the synthesis of all the ethnic cultures and values of Caucasian peoples.

The big lie here is that we can somehow extend that process to nonwhites. It doesn't make any sense. You can't integrate nonwhites into a common white culture. This idea backfired recently, which is why now we have the Multi-Cult -- the idea that everybody can just come here and retain their own ethnicities and cultures within the borders of the United States, and that's perfectly okay. That's where several of you are right now. The problem is that most of the nonwhites coming here are coming here as colonizers. Especially the Latinos. They are very motivated in their mission to replace and colonize us. Their ethno-nationalist organization, La Raza, controls benches in federal courts, state legislature seats, and even at least one congressman (Gutierrez is an avowed ethno-nationalist). You guys just don't want to recognize it because it's difficult to process that you quickly reaching the point the Indians once found themselves in.

Theoretically, you could argue that we could just create some new pan-human ethnic conscious, but I think evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. The people coming here are for the most part ethno-nationalists themselves who are intent on colonizing us.

See, this is what drives me crazy about you. You start off with something that I completely agree with, and then veer off into Candyland.

Cultures are important, and they should be as uniform as possible, within a nation-state. Agree.
Immigrants should assimilate as quickly as possible. Agree.
They want to replace and colonize us. WTF??
White Americans are beginning to assume the position of Native Americans. Goddammit, just stop typing.