DACA

[de officiis]

You guys seem to be pretty ruthless and very apathetic. I mean you have a group of people that came here as children and grew up here. They were able to find a job, a family, etc... but then you guys are willing to just uproot these people's lives and send them to a foreign country.

I don't think it's necessary to send out squads of DACA hunting operatives to remove "Dreamers" from the nation.
I think it is important, however, to draw a distinct line between what constitutes a citizen and what does not.
If a Dreamer wants to apply for citizenship I'm ok with fast-tracking them, should they have a clean record and an interest in being a net benefit to American society.
If they choose not to be citizens, but rather to gamble a future deportation, then that's fine too.

But it's hardly barbaric or heartless to set rules on citizenship in the USA.
The fact that we have such a large portion of our own populace engaging in hysterics over non-citizens being properly identified is shameful.
Maybe you all should start caring a little more about your own countrymen before fighting for everyone-but-Americans, eh?

Loving your countryman isn't exactly in vogue right now.

[apeman]

DB and Hastur voice my opinions well so little to add except a brief glance at the other hand.

It is one thing to talk about deporting kids on the internet, quite another to round 'em up with federales and drop 'em on the other side of the border. What does that process look like? Do we just leave 'em at a bus stop or something, with no loot? I am uninformed.

The real blame here is longstanding shitty federal governance. At first the illegality is ignored, tacitly endorsed, then approved through weak, improper executive order, then rescinded. It would be hard to conceive more retarded governance.

[Speaker to Animals]

We don't even have to round these people up.

No, they cannot go to college here.
No, they don't get to apply for driver's licenses.
No, they don't get to to work here.

If they get caught attempting things like that, THEN you arrest and deport them.

Make it easier for them to LEAVE and then apply for citizenship or a visa legally from their own countries.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

DB and Hastur voice my opinions well so little to add except a brief glance at the other hand.

It is one thing to talk about deporting kids on the internet, quite another to round 'em up with federales and drop 'em on the other side of the border. What does that process look like? Do we just leave 'em at a bus stop or something, with no loot? I am uninformed.

The real blame here is longstanding shitty federal governance. At first the illegality is ignored, tacitly endorsed, then approved through weak, improper executive order, then rescinded. It would be hard to conceive more retarded governance.

No loot? They don't go back with their free educations, vaccinations, and a far better chance of emigrating in the future?

[The Conservative]

We don't even have to round these people up.

No, they cannot go to college here.
No, they don't get to apply for driver's licenses.
No, they don't get to to work here.

If they get caught attempting things like that, THEN you arrest and deport them.

Make it easier for them to LEAVE and then apply for citizenship or a visa legally from their own countries.

Actually, it's easier than that... they protest, they get rounded up and deported. Do it nation wide and you'll have the rest go into hiding or go back.

[DBTrek]

DB and Hastur voice my opinions well so little to add except a brief glance at the other hand.

It is one thing to talk about deporting kids on the internet, quite another to round 'em up with federales and drop 'em on the other side of the border. What does that process look like? Do we just leave 'em at a bus stop or something, with no loot? I am uninformed.

The real blame here is longstanding shitty federal governance. At first the illegality is ignored, tacitly endorsed, then approved through weak, improper executive order, then rescinded. It would be hard to conceive more retarded governance.

No loot? They don't go back with their free educations, vaccinations, and a far better chance of emigrating in the future?

Not to mention - going from a nation where the average income is $3769 to a one where the average income is $843 a month. Being extremely fluent in two languages. Having personal, family, and business contacts in two neighboring nations.

It's almost like we're creating an army of Hernán Cortés' and sending them back into Aztlán. Think of the good they could do for their birth nation. Think of the advantages and experiences they could bring back with them.

Or, as AP said, think of the ease with which they could gain US citizenship should they decide to pursue that.

People act like sending a Mexican back to Mexico (or a Haitian to Haiti, or an Irishman to Ireland) is akin to locking them in a cage with starved wolves. It's ridiculous. The entire political left is built upon loathing all things America and American (or as they disparagingly call it, 'MURICA), but as soon as some foreigner *might* get deported suddenly America is the lone safe haven amidst a sea of death. These panic-mongerers can't even keep their own narrative straight.

[apeman]

All good points.

Muh feelz need to understand the actual procedure, and I don't

[ssu]

For once in my life time we are going to act like we uphold a law about illegal immigration like the rest of the world does..

I don't think the rest of the World is doing any better, nuke.

Basically the leaders of other countries would be thrilled to have similar influx of immigrants as the US has. Not perhaps their citizens, but who cares about them.

Immigration has been good for business.

This is bullshit. Do you understand the distinction between legal and illegal or are you a typical Dem hack like Penner and GCF?

Jesus you people are so obsessed in seeing your democrat hacks, sjws and so on everywhere...

But first to answer your question: yes I do.

What I replied is that this fucking shitshow is very common ALL AROUND the World. That applying the law is seen by leftists as an outrage. So if nuke thinks the US is somehow worse and other countries are tougher and upholding the law better, I'm not so sure about that. And if the law is inhumane or cruel, well, then change it the way Republics change them, through the parliamentary system.

Just in my country there was a two days ago "media outrage" of the police dispersing a demonstration in a refugee center when they came up to pick refugees that were to be returned to their country. And (OMG!) they used pepper spray. How outrageous! Well, from the video it doesn't seem as the police here used excessive force.



Hence a lot of the discourse is quite similar and the divide is at the same lines even if the situation is somewhat different.

[de officiis]

DB and Hastur voice my opinions well so little to add except a brief glance at the other hand.

It is one thing to talk about deporting kids on the internet, quite another to round 'em up with federales and drop 'em on the other side of the border. What does that process look like? Do we just leave 'em at a bus stop or something, with no loot? I am uninformed.

The real blame here is longstanding shitty federal governance. At first the illegality is ignored, tacitly endorsed, then approved through weak, improper executive order, then rescinded. It would be hard to conceive more retarded governance.

If the process used for deporting other illegals were followed, they would be flown at taxpayer expense back to their country of origin.

[apeman]

DB and Hastur voice my opinions well so little to add except a brief glance at the other hand.

It is one thing to talk about deporting kids on the internet, quite another to round 'em up with federales and drop 'em on the other side of the border. What does that process look like? Do we just leave 'em at a bus stop or something, with no loot? I am uninformed.

The real blame here is longstanding shitty federal governance. At first the illegality is ignored, tacitly endorsed, then approved through weak, improper executive order, then rescinded. It would be hard to conceive more retarded governance.

If the process used for deporting other illegals were followed, they would be flown at taxpayer expense back to their country of origin.

Well then as long as their is free peanuts on the flight I guess we're good to go