US Destroyer T-boned - Again

[Smitty-48]

Investigation found that ships had not completed their training and weren’t certified by the U.S. Navy to conduct “mobility seamanship,” or basic steering of the ship, according to U.S. Navy records provided to two House Armed Services subcommittees.

However, all crews were found to be 100 % on all Transgender, SHARPS and EEO Training. Families will be able to lay their Sailors to rest easily knowing they had taken all transgender and sexuality training to the best of their ability.

Scathing Article on the readiness of the US Navy
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/09/the-n ... l-cluster/

Interesting article.

I do wonder how much of those certs are bullshit or really required.

I wasn't "qualified" for air assault but I air assaulted for several missions nonetheless.

Not trying to cover for them, just saying sometimes those "certifications" are just some official training for a job you do every day anyways.

Rest of the article was interesting. I don't know tailhook well but from what I read it was bullshit.

A watchkeeper certification is a little more like; can you fly the helicopter, as opposed to just; can you jump out of it.

If you're going on the air assault and I tell you; neither of these pilots is qualified to fly the bird, are you still getting on? Me, I'm saying this bird is out of action until they can find a crew who is qualified to fly it, and I would be perfectly within my authority, don't care if it's the CinC herself ordering me to board my troops.

Whoever is standing watch, has the conn, they are "flying" the ship, and it's a 7,000 ton ship, with 250 sailors aboard.

[jseymour]

Investigation found that ships had not completed their training and weren’t certified by the U.S. Navy to conduct “mobility seamanship,” or basic steering of the ship, according to U.S. Navy records provided to two House Armed Services subcommittees.

However, all crews were found to be 100 % on all Transgender, SHARPS and EEO Training. Families will be able to lay their Sailors to rest easily knowing they had taken all transgender and sexuality training to the best of their ability.

Scathing Article on the readiness of the US Navy
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/09/the-n ... l-cluster/

cough cough bullshit cough cough. Their may have been junior personnel that had not completed their training but theirs no way they let a ship get underway without the senior people having those qualifications. My ship had over 1300 personnel onboard. I was trained as a hull maintenance tech and could build almost anything from scratch, anything the ship needed. I was highly trained in fire fighting, damage control as well as my regular job. I never ever trained on mobility seamanship, or basic steering as it wasn't my job. Someone is cherry picking information to make a political statement.

[C-Mag]

Investigation found that ships had not completed their training and weren’t certified by the U.S. Navy to conduct “mobility seamanship,” or basic steering of the ship, according to U.S. Navy records provided to two House Armed Services subcommittees.

However, all crews were found to be 100 % on all Transgender, SHARPS and EEO Training. Families will be able to lay their Sailors to rest easily knowing they had taken all transgender and sexuality training to the best of their ability.

Scathing Article on the readiness of the US Navy
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/09/the-n ... l-cluster/

cough cough bullshit cough cough. Their may have been junior personnel that had not completed their training but theirs no way they let a ship get underway without the senior people having those qualifications. My ship had over 1300 personnel onboard. I was trained as a hull maintenance tech and could build almost anything from scratch, anything the ship needed. I was highly trained in fire fighting, damage control as well as my regular job. I never ever trained on mobility seamanship, or basic steering as it wasn't my job. Someone is cherry picking information to make a political statement.

How long ago?

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[Speaker to Animals]

That blog article mirrors what people in the USAF are telling me.

[Viktorthepirate]

That blog article mirrors what people in the USAF are telling me.

It's across the military.

In the Army all the combat badgeless fucks came out of the wood work as soon as the war started winding down. More obsessed with pretty badges and uniforms than combat ability.

Met an infantry CSM with no CIB, how the fuck does that happen?

Had a 1SG give career advice to the company once. He was a fast tracker who hit E8 as soon as it was possible. His advice was that you should do things to stick out, it's more important than anything else. He had just made an app and been recognized by the CG for it.

Everyone was pissed at him for what he said but I looked at it as shooting the messenger. The Army and military at large is a bureaucratic monster. He figured out how to operate in it and succeed. Don't hate the player after all.

He also told us about a friend of his who sits on the E7 board who rejected a guy for promotion because he looked fat in uniform (even though the guy made the height and weight standard and had an unblemished record). Conversations like that are why I got the fuck out.

The military is just too big to pay attention to what really matters without some serious boot in the ass motivation and the civilians backing off a bit. You don't read in the news about people screaming for more readiness, but you sure as hell see generals getting called to the carpet because a few assholes on Facebook did creepy shit.

The military reflects society, for good and bad.

[C-Mag]

+1 Both above posts

I think we all agree, military has the wrong fucking focus. Now where's those videos of Russian school kids learning weapons

[jseymour]

Investigation found that ships had not completed their training and weren’t certified by the U.S. Navy to conduct “mobility seamanship,” or basic steering of the ship, according to U.S. Navy records provided to two House Armed Services subcommittees.

However, all crews were found to be 100 % on all Transgender, SHARPS and EEO Training. Families will be able to lay their Sailors to rest easily knowing they had taken all transgender and sexuality training to the best of their ability.

Scathing Article on the readiness of the US Navy
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/09/the-n ... l-cluster/

cough cough bullshit cough cough. Their may have been junior personnel that had not completed their training but theirs no way they let a ship get underway without the senior people having those qualifications. My ship had over 1300 personnel onboard. I was trained as a hull maintenance tech and could build almost anything from scratch, anything the ship needed. I was highly trained in fire fighting, damage control as well as my regular job. I never ever trained on mobility seamanship, or basic steering as it wasn't my job. Someone is cherry picking information to make a political statement.

How long ago?

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I got out in 99

[heydaralon]

Body shaming is a national security issue. I hope they start throwing some of these marines in the brig for not checking their thin privilege. Sometimes I lay awake at night worrying if our military is doing enough to raise awareness that many obese people are actually far healthier than skinny people and that doctors have trouble understanding that BMI is an outdated metric from the antediluvian era.

[C-Mag]

cough cough bullshit cough cough. Their may have been junior personnel that had not completed their training but theirs no way they let a ship get underway without the senior people having those qualifications. My ship had over 1300 personnel onboard. I was trained as a hull maintenance tech and could build almost anything from scratch, anything the ship needed. I was highly trained in fire fighting, damage control as well as my regular job. I never ever trained on mobility seamanship, or basic steering as it wasn't my job. Someone is cherry picking information to make a political statement.

How long ago?

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I got out in 99

I don't know how closely you stay up with some of the bullshit training that is going on in the military right now. When I wrote they were 100 % on there Transgernder training etc. I don't know for sure if that's the case here, but my experience tells me it is. ZERO tolerance right now on not having your Social Justice training complete............ not kidding, sadly.

[Hastur]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/us/p ... dards.html

Navy Returns to Compasses and Pencils to Help Avoid Collisions at Sea

The orders issued recently by the Navy’s top officer for ships worldwide, Vice Adm. Thomas S. Rowden, drew on the lessons that commanders gleaned from a 24-hour fleetwide suspension of operations last month to examine basic seamanship, teamwork and other fundamental safety and operational standards.

Collectively, current and former officers said, the new rules mark several significant cultural shifts for the Navy’s tradition-bound fleets. At least for the moment, safety and maintenance are on par with operational security, and commanders are requiring sailors to use old-fashioned compasses, pencils and paper to help track potential hazards, as well as reducing a captain’s discretion to define what rules the watch team follows if the captain is not on the ship’s bridge.

“Rowden is stomping his foot and saying, ‘We’ve got to get back to basics,’” said Vice Adm. William Douglas Crowder, a retired commander of the Seventh Fleet and a former deputy chief of naval operations, who reviewed the four-page directive issued on Sept. 15, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. “We ought to be doing this anyhow.”