The Right and the Left need each other - debate

[StCapps]

Taxation is redistribution. You are taking resources from individuals and handing them over to the state. Welfare is also redistribution as the government takes resources from individuals to fund their ability to transfer resources to those on welfare. Redistribution is not inherently a bad thing, it is a neutral term, and just because most of the people you hear using the term, only use it in a negative connotation, that doesn't mean that this is the only way the term can be used.

There is no reason to make a fool out of yourself and deny that things which clearly are redistribution, somehow are not in your eyes, because you don't know what redistribution actually means. You are mislabeling some other more limited and inherently negative concept as "redistribution" and you're getting defensive when people use the term in broader context than you are used to.

[Cid]

I would caution to take Cid with a grain of salt. He doest see culture marxism because he fully practices it. Free speech is a mere suggestion. He had sympathies for the feels of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, he defended and batted not an eyelash when a state school kicked those kids out of school for a racist chant, and he is on the wrong side of even landmark legal cases regarding free speech. Namely the Nazis of Skokie, Illinois.

Hey man I'll straight up apologize, I've seen you make a lot of sense lately and I'm sorry I said you were a GOP sockpuppet. You're the real deal son.

But I never said I had sympathies for terrrorists and never implied it. That got me really pissed when you said that on the DCF, super pissed.

I certainly didn't give two shits about the precious little snow flakes that were aghast their racist rant got them kicked out of a school (I mean, I assumed they were kicked out, but I can't say for sure without double checking, which I don't really care to) but I've never said you can't say Nazi shit in public or march in public as a Nazi. Honestly, you could have said all kinds of nasty shit about me on the DCF and I wouldn't have known, because I put your ass on ignore. Everyone makes mistakes and that was one of them.

You can be a Nazi in the US, but damn if I'm going to give/pay you're autistic ass a penny for your thoughts.

[Cid]

Taxation is redistribution. You are taking money from individuals and handing it over to the state. Welfare is also redistribution as the government takes money from individuals to pay for resources being used by those on welfare. Redistribution is not inherently a bad thing, it is a neutral term, and just because most people you know only use it in a negative connotation, that doesn't mean that this is the only way the term can be used.

There is no reason to make a fool out of yourself and deny that things which clearly are redistribution, somehow are not in your eyes, because you don't know what redistribution actually means. You are mislabeling some other more limited and inherently negative concept "redistribution" and you're getting defensive as a result.

Listen snowflake, whenever you get around to correcting your brethren as to the nuance of "redistribution" I'll have a hot cup of cocoa ready for you.

But until then most people think of scary shit people have told them to make them angry and afraid. Your nuance is not unknown to me, I love context, but the context here isn't the academic its the application.

(Also everyone who replied to me, except for you apparently, thinks redistribution is negative. When you're on a ship of fools, its pretty ballsy to claim to be the first mate.)

[StCapps]

Listen snowflake, whenever you get around to correcting your brethren as to the nuance of "redistribution" I'll have a hot cup of cocoa ready for you.

I just did. Where my cocoa at?

But until then most people think of scary shit people have told them to make them angry and afraid. Your nuance is not unknown to me, I love context, but the context here isn't the academic its the application.

When discussing among people who understand the nuance as you are doing here, you can use the term in it's proper context, nothing is stopping you. If you are misunderstood by someone who thinks all forms of redistribution are inherently bad, I'll have your back.

(Also everyone who replied to me, except for you apparently, thinks redistribution is negative. When you're on a ship of fools, its pretty ballsy to claim to be the first mate.)

I have seen no evidence to prove your assertion that those who replied to you think redistribution is inherently negative in all circumstances. Seems like you are imaging a boogeyman where none exists, there are no anarchists who oppose any form of wealth redistribution whatsoever preaching in this thread, or even on this board to my knowledge, so what are you talking about?

[clubgop]

Cultural marxist took down a symbol of American patriotism and perseverance especially in the 80's. For that there will be no forgiveness.

[Dand]

Welfare is not wealth redistribution.

How do you figure that?

Because taxation isn't wealth redistribution and everyone who is feeding you that crap is either rich and playing you or being played by rich people.

It's not a clever move. Pay some dipshit that thinks taxes = wealth redistribution, get em to run some shitty story about welfare queens, and then you get decades of morons repeating the same story about the same rich homeless guy that pan handles and walks to his mercedes.

Welfare is welfare, you get it when you need it, if you don't you won't, if you cheat it you're breaking the law.

Seriously, how are you going to sell lower taxes for the stupidly rich, people who milk way more money out of a modern economy than common sense would ever allow, to everyone else? Can't make the argument anymore its because they're job creators because people finally get that "job creators" can just mean "no skill jobs." So they outsource their emotional pain of not having another god damn BMW to the middle class that needs functional roads and has cousins that have been recently downsized. "Wealth redistribution!" Here, I'll tell you when we're at wealth redistribution, its when wealth gets redistributed and classes get equalized. Mind you they can argue that's happening, that everyone is being shoved into the lower class, but they can't do it with a straight face.

So, no, welfare is not redistribution. Modern welfare is just a symptom of trying to screw as many people in an economy as lax regulation and systemic corruption can allow.

You're jumping all over me and immediately implying that I think welfare is wealth redistribution just because I saw someone on TV or radio tell me it is.

It takes money from people that have money and gives money to people that don't. How is that not redistribution?

You've said you think welfare is worthwhile but your post just doesn't explain how it isn't "redistribution". You're saying that "wealth redistribution" means "communism" and total equity? I've never used it that way or known it could mean that to someone. Giving to charity is wealth redistribution but clearly is not communism.

[SuburbanFarmer]

How do you figure that?

Because taxation isn't wealth redistribution and everyone who is feeding you that crap is either rich and playing you or being played by rich people.

It's not a clever move. Pay some dipshit that thinks taxes = wealth redistribution, get em to run some shitty story about welfare queens, and then you get decades of morons repeating the same story about the same rich homeless guy that pan handles and walks to his mercedes.

Welfare is welfare, you get it when you need it, if you don't you won't, if you cheat it you're breaking the law.

Seriously, how are you going to sell lower taxes for the stupidly rich, people who milk way more money out of a modern economy than common sense would ever allow, to everyone else? Can't make the argument anymore its because they're job creators because people finally get that "job creators" can just mean "no skill jobs." So they outsource their emotional pain of not having another god damn BMW to the middle class that needs functional roads and has cousins that have been recently downsized. "Wealth redistribution!" Here, I'll tell you when we're at wealth redistribution, its when wealth gets redistributed and classes get equalized. Mind you they can argue that's happening, that everyone is being shoved into the lower class, but they can't do it with a straight face.

So, no, welfare is not redistribution. Modern welfare is just a symptom of trying to screw as many people in an economy as lax regulation and systemic corruption can allow.

You're jumping all over me and immediately implying that I think welfare is wealth redistribution just because I saw someone on TV or radio tell me it is.

It takes money from people that have money and gives money to people that don't. How is that not redistribution?

You've said you think welfare is worthwhile but your post just doesn't explain how it isn't "redistribution". You're saying that "wealth redistribution" means "communism" and total equity? I've never used it that way or known it could mean that to someone. Giving to charity is wealth redistribution but clearly is not communism.

Apparently, only commies donate to charity. Or churches. Therefore..



The enemy is within...

[Cid]

It takes money from people that have money and gives money to people that don't. How is that not redistribution?

Because in wealth redistribution total wealth is what is assessed and redistributed, not income or the value of property. The end result of this usually makes everyone poorer because incentives for wealth accumulation are eliminated. To date I've not seen any news about the rich or even the upper middle class deciding that man having money and stuff is just such a drag with taxes.

You're trying to add a dimension to taxation that is a layer of propaganda. It isn't helpful and causes people to resent government for a stupid fearful kneejerk reason.

I'm saying "trying to add" but to be honest this shit has been done for decades, and we're about as close to communism today as I currently am from where my cell phone was made.

[Cid]

Cultural marxist took down a symbol of American patriotism and perseverance especially in the 80's. For that there will be no forgiveness.

Gawker did that son, and I'm totally cool with the free market with the help of the judicial system rectifying the situation. I'm not one of those libtards that say you can't be sued for publishing a sex tape.

[Cid]

When discussing among people who understand the nuance as you are doing here, you can use the term in it's proper context, nothing is stopping you. If you are misunderstood by someone who thinks all forms of redistribution are inherently bad, I'll have your back.

I don't believe the nuance is known, and since the burden of proof (apparently) lies with people who don't believe what I believe, good luck with that.

I have seen no evidence to prove your assertion that those who replied to you think redistribution is inherently negative in all circumstances. Seems like you are imaging a boogeyman where none exists, there are no anarchists who oppose any form of wealth redistribution whatsoever preaching in this thread, or even on this board to my knowledge, so what are you talking about?

Years of experience son, I don't have to wait for evidence when people aren't shy about the stupid shit they believe. But kudos to you, you just cucked a whole sub-thread here. Now they have to let this just lie here because if they say it is negative, I'm right, if they come out with nuance you'll be right. I'd probably be happier in a world where you were right, but let it never be said that I live to be happy.