North Korea News

[Speaker to Animals]

I am pretty sure the dysfunctional federal government will do nothing about it and eventually a lot of people are going to burn.

[Smitty-48]

This is the problem with underground nuclear testing, people just don't react to the theoretical, you can tell them that by signature that was an Operation Redwing bomb that they just detonated there, but they dom't beleive it on some level.

Even if you show them footage of Operation Redwing and say "this is what it would look like if it wasn't underground", they react to that like it's ancient history, 1956 might as well be 1056 now, but pretty sure, if Operation Redwing popped up above ground, clear and present, in real time, their reaction would be much more clear and present to it, it would be top of agenda then, no doubt.

The purpose of the limited test ban treaty was not to make the world safer, it was just to get it out of public sight out of public mind, because the public was really starting to react to it, and in terms of Operation Redwing & Co, that reaction was starting to crimp its style, so they took it underground, literally, and metaphorically as well.

And then the public rather promptly went back to sleep on it; mission accomplished.

If they had persited with above ground testing, I don't think the US and Russia would still be at launch on warning right now, the public only tolerates it, because it's out of sight out of mind, doesn't have to be at the brink of war at all times, the Chinese are not at launch on warning right now, and it's not like you don't take their deterrent seriously just because it's not at 15 minutes notice to launch.

It would be entirely viable for the United States to stand down from 15 minutes notice and launch and add a DEFCON 6,7,8. Still have second strike at sea, there's no call for the TRIAD to be on a hair trigger, unless and until war was imminent.

I would ditch the ICBM's, they're no good for counterforce, you're not going to actively use them on Russia, you're not gonna use them on North Korea neither, all they really do, is leave a 15 minute window open at all times, for Mr. Murphy to end the world by mistake, without actually serving any practical operational purpose at this point.

[Smitty-48]

Hup, Mattis just came out today and said "any threat against United States and/or allies, will be met by massive military response'.

Now, that's an escalated posture right there, because previously, it was "any attack", but now in the face of this hydrogen bomb, they've shifted to "any threat", which, is a move to the counterforce posture, because "attack" is responsive, while "threat" is inherently preemptive.

Subtle change, but a significant one indeed. Whether they'd back that shit up, who knows, but they did just move to a counterforce position and openly stated it.

[Speaker to Animals]

If it's happening, they are right now sneaking aircraft into the South Pacific. They have to do it at night and use the emptied hangars at various air bases from here to there. By morning, satellites won't show where the aircraft are located, but somebody could see that a bunch of them disappeared when you tally everything across CONUS.

The USN probably has to do something similar.

They won't likely sail over there like they did with that carrier group. There will be a demand that they cease and if they persist, it will come as a shock to them.

This would have to be mainly USAF and USN.

I'd actually move our aircraft pretty far south in the peninsula right away, though.

They'd also have to make room in Kadena for everything.

[Speaker to Animals]

It really needs to happen. NK is in abject violation of their treaty obligations at this point. This isn't some little fission bomb. The truce is pretty much violated by them. Nobody wanted to do anything because they held South Korea hostage with the artillery and then their fission bombs. But pretty soon they will be holding entire west coast of North America hostage. It will just keep getting worse until we suck it up and do something.

[Speaker to Animals]

I would incinerate their entire nuclear weapons program and if they launched artillery into South Korea, I'd carpet bomb their entire southern border. I'd park missile cruisers off the coast and destroy whatever bullshit they have for a navy too.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think it's imminent, problem is, the North Korean breakout is not that far off, they're real close, but when they do break out, they will break out en masse and dispersed, and good luck getting all them bombs then.

Right now their whole program is massed in one place basically, once they go operational, it'll be exponetialy more survivable, because they'll disperse, go to ground and conceal, decoy, and dig in, and so almost impossible to take them down then, without them getting some shots in, and even one of those shots is existential for all intents and purposes.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think it has to be done sooner rather than later or it's going to be pretty difficult to contain them.

Them having fusion bombs changes the dynamic of the ceasefire. There will be nothing holding them back at all.

This idea that we can just wait and see has steadily increased the fatalities that will occur when it finally does go hot. It was a huge mistake. People might look back on this like we look back on Neville Chamberlain.

[Smitty-48]

If you let them get to launch on warning hair trigger alert thermonuclear against the CONUS, you're basically living at the mercy of Pyongyang then, and I hear Americans say "they know we would just anihiliate them with a massive retaliation", but this is not actually the case.

That part, Capps has exactly right, you can't massively retaliate against the Korean Peninsula, not just because that would devastate South Korea, but because it could incite an all out nuclear war with the Chinese and/or Russians and/or both.

You can't use the Minuteman III's, you can't use the Trident II's, you can't use the W88, W87 nor even W76, you're limited to the B61's, and guess what?

That ain't actually Mutually Assured Destruction, that's more like; they nuke Los Angeles with Redwing Tewa downwind across the CONUS, and your only real option is basically like Operation Desert Storm with a few low yield tac-nukes thrown in for counterforce. Desert Storm + B61 low yield; not actually that scary to them, and worth the stretch, to devastate the CONUS.

So in reality, what you're going to be into, is them holding a doomsday over you, while they are shielded from a doomsday behind the petticoats of the Russians and Chinese, which, is not MAD at all, not in a way which would terrify them into submission.

And once they start with the escalation dominance nuclear blackmail, it will be too late to take them down nice and easy then, when you get to the threshold of launch on warning hair trigger alert thermonuclear against the CONUS, with no viable massive retaliation deterent?

They'll have you by the short and curlies then, and they know it, which is why they've been putting all their efforts into this program for the last forty years, at practically any cost, to include mass famine.

When the MSM says "they just want respect", "they just want a deterent", "they're just afraid of regime change"?

No. These academic and media types are just projecting, but they don't get it, they don't get North Korea, they don't think like the North Koreans do, so all that is fake news.

What they're doing here, is not a deterent, what they're trying to do, is win the Korean War. It has been a half century operation, which is just reaching the decisive threshold now.

Wake up, Eagles with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped; the ceasefire is about to go hot again, North Korea is not hunkered down in the defensive here, they are on the march, but they're not coming with tanks, they're coming assymterical....

....and the leverage they intend to use to flip you on your asses? Redwing Tewa FTW.

Whether they actually win, is neither here nor there, the battle itself, will take you to the brink, and when you get there, MAD will not actually be in effect, the Korean Missile Crisis, with the Juche Doomsday Cult, which doesn't actually have to worry about Curtis Lemay, because Curtis cant get at them where they're at.

So they lose the battle, so what? They take the CONUS down on the way, and then go to the matresses, when, they're already there, they live on the fuckin' matresses all day everyday, so they're not scared to take it there.

So they pop a nuke on the CONUS, and then you bomb them like you bombed North Vietnam? Big whoop, North Vietnam hunkered down under that and so can North Korea.

And once they get away with it? They'll have proved it can be done, and Kim Jong Un will the new Godhead for America's enemies all around the world.

[Xenophon]

If you let them get to launch on warning hair trigger alert thermonuclear against the CONUS, you're basically living at the mercy of Pyongyang then, and I hear Americans say "they know we would just anihiliate them with a massive retaliation", but this is not actually the case.

That part, Capps has exactly right, you can't massively retaliate against the Korean Peninsula, not just because that would devastate South Korea, but because it could incite an all out nuclear war with the Chinese and/or Russians and/or both.

You can't use the Minuteman III's, you can't use the Trident II's, you can't use the W88, W87 nor even W76, you're limited to the B61's, and guess what?

That ain't actually Mutually Assured Destruction, that's more like; they nuke Los Angeles with Redwing Tewa downwind across the CONUS, and your only real option is basically like Operation Desert Storm with a few low yield tac-nukes thrown in for counterforce. Desert Storm + B61 low yield; not actually that scary to them, and worth the stretch, to devastate the CONUS.

So in reality, what you're going to be into, is them holding a doomsday over you, while they are shielded from a doomsday behind the petticoats of the Russians and Chinese, which, is not MAD at all, not in a way which would terrify them into submission.

And once they start with the escalation dominance nuclear blackmail, it will be too late to take them down nice and easy then, when you get to the threshold of launch on warning hair trigger alert thermonuclear against the CONUS, with no viable massive retaliation deterent?

They'll have you by the short and curlies then, and they know it, which is why they've been putting all their efforts into this program for the last forty years, at practically any cost, to include mass famine.

When the MSM says "they just want respect", "they just want a deterent", "they're just afraid of regime change"?

No. These academic and media types are just projecting, but they don't get it, they don't get North Korea, they don't think like the North Koreans do, so all that is fake news.

What they're doing here, is not a deterent, what they're trying to do, is win the Korean War. It has been a half century operation, which is just reaching the decisive threshold now.

Wake up, Eagles with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped; the ceasefire is about to go hot again, North Korea is not hunkered down in the defensive here, they are on the march, but they're not coming with tanks, they're coming assymterical....

....and the leverage they intend to use to flip you on your asses? Redwing Tewa FTW.

Whether they actually win, is neither here nor there, the battle itself, will take you to the brink, and when you get there, MAD will not actually be in effect, the Korean Missile Crisis, with the Juche Doomsday Cult, which doesn't actually have to worry about Curtis Lemay, because Curtis cant get at them where they're at.

So they lose the battle, so what? They take the CONUS down on the way, and then go to the matresses, when, they're already there, they live on the fuckin' matresses all day everyday, so they're not scared to take it there.

So they pop a nuke on the CONUS, and then you bomb them like you bombed North Vietnam? Big whoop, North Vietnam hunkered down under that and so can North Korea.

And once they get away with it? They'll have proved it can be done, and Kim Jong Un will the new Godhead for America's enemies all around the world.

It's unlike you, Smitty, to prognosticate war on the horizon. This fact is more concerning to me than anything else. If Smitty isn't telling all the panic monkeys to calm down, and is instead giving a bleaker scenario, you know something is going down.