How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by ssu » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:23 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:Florida's entire economy is based on Jimmy Buffet themed trinkets and hiding cocaine money in night clubs.

The rules don't apply.
Tourism is one of the biggest industries in Florida employing over 9 million people (out of nearly 20 million). Now a Hurricane might hurt it a bit.

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:28 am

ssu wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:Florida's entire economy is based on Jimmy Buffet themed trinkets and hiding cocaine money in night clubs.

The rules don't apply.
Tourism is one of the biggest industries in Florida employing over 9 million people (out of nearly 20 million). Now a Hurricane might hurt it a bit.
http://www.thebubblebubble.com/florida-property-bubble/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_l ... _the_1920s

Hurricanes kicked off the first big bubble-pop in the 20s.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:18 am

POTUS just brought the free market to health care by erasing state lines in an Executive Order.
I don't see any downside to this. Is the a downside ?
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:21 am

C-Mag wrote:POTUS just brought the free market to health care by erasing state lines in an Executive Order.
I don't see any downside to this. Is the a downside ?
Need more detail. All I've heard about is eliminating the SALT deduction, or some such.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by The Conservative » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:23 am

C-Mag wrote:POTUS just brought the free market to health care by erasing state lines in an Executive Order.
I don't see any downside to this. Is the a downside ?
Link?
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by Fife » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:25 pm

Straight from Randy to you:

Exclusive – Rand Paul on Trump Healthcare Executive Action: Congress Failed, Time to Act
President Trump will today legalize and allow individuals to form Health Associations and purchase insurance across state lines. This is what real free market replacement looks like. Millions of Americans will be eligible to band together to demand less-expensive insurance. The 28 million individuals left behind by Obamacare will now be eligible for inexpensive insurance.
The cost to the taxpayer? ZERO! As opposed to the trillion-dollar, “fake” replacements we voted on, this replacement simply legalizes choice.

I’ve been working with President Trump and his Cabinet for months to get this done.

How will it work? Well, nationwide associations like the National Restaurant Association will be allowed to form groups across state lines and, with the leverage of size, demand Big Insurance bring down their outrageous premiums.

Many of the 28 million people left behind by Obamacare who still don’t have insurance work low-wage jobs in our fast food restaurants. The President’s decision today will allow workers from two million restaurants to come together to form a buying group and through sheer size get cheaper and better insurance.
WaPo haz a sad: Trump signs order to eliminate ACA insurance rules, undermine marketplaces

Critics, who include state insurance commissioners, most of the health-insurance industry and mainstream policy specialists, predict that a proliferation of other types of coverage would have damaging ripple effects: driving up costs for consumers with serious medical conditions and prompting more insurers to flee the law’s marketplaces. Part of Trump’s action, they say, will spark court challenges over its legality.

Good!

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:28 pm

C-Mag wrote:POTUS just brought the free market to health care by erasing state lines in an Executive Order.
I don't see any downside to this. Is the a downside ?
NPR has been spinning that this will somehow cause young healthy people to remove themselves from insurance and drive the price up for those that actually use it. I'm not quite clear how this does that. They also state that there is no proof that allowing smaller insurance companies to conglomerate will work.

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:35 pm

Nukedog wrote:
C-Mag wrote:POTUS just brought the free market to health care by erasing state lines in an Executive Order.
I don't see any downside to this. Is the a downside ?
NPR has been spinning that this will somehow cause young healthy people to remove themselves from insurance and drive the price up for those that actually use it. I'm not quite clear how this does that. They also state that there is no proof that allowing smaller insurance companies to conglomerate will work.
Oh, so instead of throwing granny off the cliff, we are throwing college kids off the cliff................ Nice!
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:36 pm

Fife wrote:Straight from Randy to you:

Exclusive – Rand Paul on Trump Healthcare Executive Action: Congress Failed, Time to Act
President Trump will today legalize and allow individuals to form Health Associations and purchase insurance across state lines. This is what real free market replacement looks like. Millions of Americans will be eligible to band together to demand less-expensive insurance. The 28 million individuals left behind by Obamacare will now be eligible for inexpensive insurance.
The cost to the taxpayer? ZERO! As opposed to the trillion-dollar, “fake” replacements we voted on, this replacement simply legalizes choice.

I’ve been working with President Trump and his Cabinet for months to get this done.

How will it work? Well, nationwide associations like the National Restaurant Association will be allowed to form groups across state lines and, with the leverage of size, demand Big Insurance bring down their outrageous premiums.

Many of the 28 million people left behind by Obamacare who still don’t have insurance work low-wage jobs in our fast food restaurants. The President’s decision today will allow workers from two million restaurants to come together to form a buying group and through sheer size get cheaper and better insurance.
WaPo haz a sad: Trump signs order to eliminate ACA insurance rules, undermine marketplaces

Critics, who include state insurance commissioners, most of the health-insurance industry and mainstream policy specialists, predict that a proliferation of other types of coverage would have damaging ripple effects: driving up costs for consumers with serious medical conditions and prompting more insurers to flee the law’s marketplaces. Part of Trump’s action, they say, will spark court challenges over its legality.

Good!
Thanks for posting this.
Rand Paul has been pretty effective at working with the POTUS to get what he wanted out of Healthcare reform, while voting against the POTUS on Healthcare Reform. Well voting against the Congressional bills anyway.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:43 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Nukedog wrote:
C-Mag wrote:POTUS just brought the free market to health care by erasing state lines in an Executive Order.
I don't see any downside to this. Is the a downside ?
NPR has been spinning that this will somehow cause young healthy people to remove themselves from insurance and drive the price up for those that actually use it. I'm not quite clear how this does that. They also state that there is no proof that allowing smaller insurance companies to conglomerate will work.
Oh, so instead of throwing granny off the cliff, we are throwing college kids off the cliff................ Nice!
No, this is the one part of the argument they have been making all day that I actually understand. What they are saying is that if young healthy people are no longer in the market pool it will drive up the price for people that are ill and actually use insurance because young healthy people will opt out. The point I don't understand is what Trump did to suddenly free them from the obligation of participating in the market.