Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Speaker to Animals]

Criticism of the EU is fine, tub thumping anti-EU rhetoric does no one any good except Nigel and his bank account. Fuck that shit, you are not helping NF piss off back to Trump nobody here wants you....

Why did they keep electing him, then?

[StCapps]

Criticism of the EU is fine, tub thumping anti-EU rhetoric does no one any good except Nigel and his bank account. Fuck that shit, you are not helping NF piss off back to Trump nobody here wants you....

The EU needs to be destroyed, tub thumping anti-EU rhetoric is desperately needed. Come up with a new idea that works way better and throw the monstrosity out already, or you know keep putting up with bullshit you don't have to out of nostalgia for what the EU could have been, y'all seemed determined to choose the later option and keep beating your head against the wall. The baby was taken out of the bathwater long ago, it's okay to dump that fetid shit anytime you want to.

Props to the UK for coming to their senses quicker than most EU nations.

[Montegriffo]

Criticism of the EU is fine, tub thumping anti-EU rhetoric does no one any good except Nigel and his bank account. Fuck that shit, you are not helping NF piss off back to Trump nobody here wants you....

Why did they keep electing him, then?

Seven attempts to get elected to parliament as an MP, seven fails.

Only election he ever won was the one to his hated EU. Slags off the Brussels gravy train- joins it, takes the salary and files his expenses claims...........fucking hypocrite

[StCapps]

Only election he ever won was the one to his hated EU. Slags off the Brussels gravy train- joins it, takes the salary and files his expenses claims...........fucking hypocrite

The anti-EU position needs a platform in the EU, Farage is perfect for that role. Using the Brussels gravy train to de-rail said gravy train, now that's using your ass.

[Otern]

Only election he ever won was the one to his hated EU. Slags off the Brussels gravy train- joins it, takes the salary and files his expenses claims...........fucking hypocrite

The anti-EU position needs a platform in the EU, Farage is perfect for that role. Using the Brussels gravy train to de-rail said gravy train, now that's using your ass.

Farage is actually not perfect for that role. As most of the anti EU sentiment comes from the left in the non anglo world. Farage is a right winger. He's a decent opposition to the EU for other right wingers. But as the leader of the collective anti EU sentiment? Hell no.

There needs to be at least two different camps in opposition to the EU. And they can cooperate in anti EU politics, even though they disagree about the reasons why the EU should remove itself from the face of the earth.

The opposition to the EU has won quite a bit lately, but they haven't consolidated their forces on the left, which is what we need if the EU is to fall.

Britain really is somewhat unique in their EU relationship. The right wing parties hate it, while the left wing parties love it. It's quite the opposite in Norway, and lots of other countries.

[StCapps]

Only election he ever won was the one to his hated EU. Slags off the Brussels gravy train- joins it, takes the salary and files his expenses claims...........fucking hypocrite

The anti-EU position needs a platform in the EU, Farage is perfect for that role. Using the Brussels gravy train to de-rail said gravy train, now that's using your ass.

Farage is actually not perfect for that role. As most of the anti EU sentiment comes from the left in the non anglo world. Farage is a right winger. He's a decent opposition to the EU for other right wingers. But as the leader of the collective anti EU sentiment? Hell no.

There needs to be at least two different camps in opposition to the EU. And they can cooperate in anti EU politics, even though they disagree about the reasons why the EU should remove itself from the face of the earth.

The opposition to the EU has won quite a bit lately, but they haven't consolidated their forces on the left, which is what we need if the EU is to fall.

Britain really is somewhat unique in their EU relationship. The right wing parties hate it, while the left wing parties love it. It's quite the opposite in Norway, and lots of other countries.

I don't see these anti-EU forces on the left trashing the EU as publicly and with as much showmanship as Farage. They also lack his name recognition and social media presence, when they step their game up on those fronts then there will be less use for Farage, but until then you underrate his importance just because he's on the right.

[Otern]

I don't see these anti-EU forces on the left trashing the EU as publicly and with as much showmanship as Farage. They also lack his name recognition and social media presence, when they step their game up on those fronts then there will be less use for Farage, but until then you underrate his importance just because he's on the right.

You don't see it, because English is your primary language. And in the English speaking countries, the anti EU rhetoric comes mainly from the right.

But this is not the case with Europe as a whole.

As an example. Of Norway's parties, the socialist left hates the EU, the reds hate the EU, the labor party is divided, the conservatives are pro, the populist right was pro, but has changed their stance to mildly against, because of Brexit, the centrist agrarian hate the EU, the christian democrats are somewhat opposed to it, the free market liberals are pro.

Really, the left here is against it. The same is true for a lot of other European nations. But you won't hear about it, because who the fuck wants to translate whatever moonspeak the continentals and the north speaks anyway?

The opposition to the EU HAS to be national, as getting all the different EU opponents to fall in line in a common anti EU campaign sounds like something EU-lovers would do.

Farage is great for the anglos, but I would not follow him, no matter how much I hate the EU. If he helps tear it down, great, but I'll stay with the Norwegian agrarian line. I will not fall in line with some globalized anti EU effort, where we somehow all have to listen to the anglo rhetoric that doesn't really concern us that much.

Cooperation between the right and the left in tearing down the EU is great, but to create a narrative where all the leftists somehow has to turn into mini-Farages to oppose the EU? Nope. Lot's of reasons for the EU to fall, and Farage is just half the story, although he has touched upon issues that is more central to continental European opposition to the EU, like protection of the working class.

[Montegriffo]

The opposition to the EU has won quite a bit lately, but they haven't consolidated their forces on the left, which is what we need if the EU is to fall.

Britain really is somewhat unique in their EU relationship. The right wing parties hate it, while the left wing parties love it. It's quite the opposite in Norway, and lots of other countries.

Not sure that's completely true. Many blamed Corbyn for his lukewarm support and the long running Labour party opposition to the EU for the Brexit result. Don't forget the Conservative party and it's leader Cameron were the main force behind the remain campaign.
Farage and his nationalists appealed to quite a small part of the leave voters and it was Boris and Gove in opposition to their party who led the official leave campaign.
Farage and UKIP just said a lot of controversial things which got them more media coverage.
UKIP don't even have a single MP and have gone from one leadership crisis to the next since Nigel left to line his pockets.
The split in the vote was almost 50/50 and didn't really follow the party line.

[StCapps]

You don't see it, because English is your primary language. And in the English speaking countries, the anti EU rhetoric comes mainly from the right.

But this is not the case with Europe as a whole.

Get better at English then and Farage won't be as useful, until then his niche should not be underrated.

As an example. Of Norway's parties, the socialist left hates the EU, the reds hate the EU, the labor party is divided, the conservatives are pro, the populist right was pro, but has changed their stance to mildly against, because of Brexit, the centrist agrarian hate the EU, the christian democrats are somewhat opposed to it, the free market liberals are pro.

Really, the left here is against it. The same is true for a lot of other European nations. But you won't hear about it, because who the fuck wants to translate whatever moonspeak the continentals and the north speaks anyway?

The anglos ability to sell their right wing brand of opposition to the EU far exceeds your own, you might want to work on that if you ever want your brand of opposition to get traction. Farage is a better communicator, and until you get one on his level I would treat him as useful ally, far more useful in destroying the EU than anyone your side has yet fielded.

The opposition to the EU HAS to be national, as getting all the different EU opponents to fall in line in a common anti EU campaign sounds like something EU-lovers would do.

Farage is great for the anglos, but I would not follow him, no matter how much I hate the EU. If he helps tear it down, great, but I'll stay with the Norwegian agrarian line. I will not fall in line with some globalized anti EU effort, where we somehow all have to listen to the anglo rhetoric that doesn't really concern us that much.

Cooperation between the right and the left in tearing down the EU is great, but to create a narrative where all the leftists somehow has to turn into mini-Farages to oppose the EU? Nope. Lot's of reasons for the EU to fall, and Farage is just half the story, although he has touched upon issues that is more central to continental European opposition to the EU, like protection of the working class.

Well get better at selling your half of the story, or Farage is far more useful than the left wing anti-EU opposition leader will ever be. Policy wonkery isn't enough if you can't sell it, you need to be able to pitch that shit outside your bubble.

[Otern]

The opposition to the EU has won quite a bit lately, but they haven't consolidated their forces on the left, which is what we need if the EU is to fall.

Britain really is somewhat unique in their EU relationship. The right wing parties hate it, while the left wing parties love it. It's quite the opposite in Norway, and lots of other countries.

Not sure that's completely true. Many blamed Corbyn for his lukewarm support and the long running Labour party opposition to the EU for the Brexit result. Don't forget the Conservative party and it's leader Cameron were the main force behind the remain campaign.
Farage and his nationalists appealed to quite a small part of the leave voters and it was Boris and Gove in opposition to their party who led the official leave campaign.
Farage and UKIP just said a lot of controversial things which got them more media coverage.
UKIP don't even have a single MP and have gone from one leadership crisis to the next since Nigel left to line his pockets.
The split in the vote was almost 50/50 and didn't really follow the party line.

Yeah, the popular vote didn't really follow the party line. But the parties themselves are pretty clear on their stance on the EU. Extremely few of the politicians on the left in Britain opposed the EU. While there were quite a few coming from the conservatives, and the populist right. This forms the anti EU-rhetoric in a right wing fashion, even though a lot of the people voting to leave were classical leftists.

You just don't hear about the anti-EU leftists in the english speaking world, since EU opposition is considered a right wing issue.

And whenever someone opposed to the EU, not on the right, starts doing well, you won't hear about it, because it doesn't fit within the media's narrative that the whole EU deal is a right vs left issue.

For example the agrarian party here is doing fantastic lately. And they're really not a right wing party at all, as they've been in a coalition government with the labor party, and the socialist left. This probably won't be mentioned in British and American media, even though it's election year this year. But the right wing populist FrP might get noticed, even though they're nowhere near as opposed to the EU as the agrarian party. But they fall more in line with the British anti EU rhetoric, so it's more likely to be digested by British readers.