Tax Plan For Aristocracy

[TheReal_ND]

52 hours in paint shop

[Okeefenokee]

Yes, they do, and you need to think in numbers, not in emotion. First, look at the $250,000 number - using that as a cutoff for 'the rich' is ludicrous. You can't compare someone with over a million to someone making $250,000. Second, look at the percentage of wealth that the wealthy hold in comparison to everyone else. When the wealthy have that much, of course they're going to pay more in taxes. Real income hasn't gone up for that 45.3% in a very long time, but wealth has increased dramatically for the rich. In real terms, they won't feel the tax increase. They will, however, feel very good about leaving even more to their heirs, which will leave the country even closer to the parts of the third world where the very rich own everyone and everything else.

If you want that lower half to pay some taxes, they have to earn as much in real income as they did years ago when they actually did pay federal taxes. To share the income tax burden, the income itself has to be shared a bit. Not redistribution, but not the insane levels of disparity we have now either.

BTW, the people this will hit hardest in dollar amounts - the way you're thinking - is the upper middle class. The lawyers, middle managers, the pharmacists, the R.N.s - they will pay through the nose, mostly in the loss of deductions and credits. The states paying for everyone else - paying for the people who don't pay income taxes - are going to hemorrhage the educated class. I believe that is the point of this tax plan.

If you read 2.7% of filers are paying 51.6% of federal income taxes, and think those fuckers need to pay more, you'll never be satisfied.

Your reasoning didn't even address those numbers. You simply went straight to emotion.

Rich people have more than poor people! Rich people need to pay more until there are no more rich people!

Fuck it if we've already taxed the hell out of them. Seize their bank accounts before their kids can get it. They don't deserve it. I do.

Move to Venezuela where life is swell because everyone's equally broke.

On Coconut Island, the Kang family own 20,000 coconut trees.

The other 20 families each own one tree.

Each year, the Kang family must pay 100 coconuts in tribute to the gods, while the other families contribute only one.

The Kang family must pay 5 times more than every other family combined!

This is a very unfair setup for the Kang family. I feel terrible for them.

Fuck the fuck off.

Tax rates for those actually paying taxes are going down.

Go gamble on someone else's accomplishments you degenerate gambling whore.

How I love to see the objections of the undeserving at the news that the deserving are set to see rewards.

[jediuser598]

I've been working on this idea for a little bit, thinking about it.

We don't really appreciate hard work anymore. Money, we appreciate money. You could sit on your ass all day, be huge, never worked in your life, be a billionaire and in America you'd get respect, whereas the person breaking a sweat working a minimum wage job, or maybe two jobs and not getting overtime, they get little to no respect by the general American populace. They're looked down on and shamed. Seen it a lot.

It's all about how much you make a year, not how hard you work.

I have a lot of respect for those people doing those minimum wage jobs, then again I'm nearly one of those people, so I guess that's self-serving.

Why don't we respect hard work anymore? Why is such work shameful?

People say "oh, where do you work, McDonalds?" Why's that shameful? To work there?

[LVH2]

At least some part of it is that people have been conned into believing they empathize with wealthy elites who, in turn, view them as vermin.

e.g. some guy who makes 80k as a corporate cog thinks "we" is him and the Walton family (deserving achievers), and "you" is another wage monkey who makes less than him, as well as people on welfare, homeless, in prison, etc.

Crazy political views are always driven by self esteem issues. - me.

[Fife]

They don't even really need the taxes, at least not for spending.

Spending is not going to stop until there is a hard reset, bet dat.

All they really need the taxes for are to keep the class struggle on the For Realz. And for that purpose, the tax code is quite effective, indeed.

[jediuser598]

At least some part of it is that people have been conned into believing they empathize with wealthy elites who, in turn, view them as vermin.

e.g. some guy who makes 80k as a corporate cog thinks "we" is him and the Walton family (deserving achievers), and "you" is another wage monkey who makes less than him, as well as people on welfare, homeless, in prison, etc.

Crazy political views are always driven by self esteem issues. - me.

We all want that don't we?

I say we should respect these people, but I don't. I think I should though. American values have changed from perhaps valuing hard work to valuing being famous/having money, whatever it takes. You could be a complete scumbag but as long as you make the $$$ that gets you respect. Social status.

"How do Americans judge art?"

"How much money did it make?"

[StCapps]

At least some part of it is that people have been conned into believing they empathize with wealthy elites who, in turn, view them as vermin.

e.g. some guy who makes 80k as a corporate cog thinks "we" is him and the Walton family (deserving achievers), and "you" is another wage monkey who makes less than him, as well as people on welfare, homeless, in prison, etc.

Crazy political views are always driven by self esteem issues. - me.

They are wealthy, they deserve no empathy, fuck them they have more than me, they must automatically think of me as vermin. Self esteem issues indeed, try looking in the mirror, envy is driving your crazy political views on this issue.

Your problem is you seem to think if someone got rich, then there is the no way that they deserve it, but there are plenty of ways to get rich and earn it.
/shrugs

[StCapps]

Go gamble on someone else's accomplishments you degenerate gambling whore.

Don't mind if I do.

[Speaker to Animals]

At least some part of it is that people have been conned into believing they empathize with wealthy elites who, in turn, view them as vermin.

e.g. some guy who makes 80k as a corporate cog thinks "we" is him and the Walton family (deserving achievers), and "you" is another wage monkey who makes less than him, as well as people on welfare, homeless, in prison, etc.

Crazy political views are always driven by self esteem issues. - me.

You are projecting your own problems onto other people. Most of us don't give a shit about the wealthy. Not wanting to take another man's wealth doesn't mean I want to be that guy.

Everything you just posted is, in my experience, how the left view themselves. It's a set of ideologies that arise from envy and hate. They can't stand that somebody achieved more, has more money or possessions, etc. They think that money equals happiness and it makes them feel inferior. So they lash out at the successful families because it's easier to imagine some dark cabal of lazy exploiters.

Talk about greed and derision for your fellow humans.. Just live your life. Try to be happy. If you were able to plunder all of the Walton family wealth, odds are you'd be no happier a few years down the road or, more likely, less happy. Try some stoicism.

[MilSpecs]

At least some part of it is that people have been conned into believing they empathize with wealthy elites who, in turn, view them as vermin.

e.g. some guy who makes 80k as a corporate cog thinks "we" is him and the Walton family (deserving achievers), and "you" is another wage monkey who makes less than him, as well as people on welfare, homeless, in prison, etc.

Crazy political views are always driven by self esteem issues. - me.

They are wealthy, they deserve no empathy, fuck them they have more than me, they must automatically think of me as vermin. Self esteem issues indeed, try looking in the mirror, envy is driving your crazy political views on this issue.

Your problem is you seem to think if someone got rich, then there is the no way that they deserve it, but there are plenty of ways to get rich and earn it.
/shrugs

By being born? There are always going to be winners and losers by virtue of birth, but an inheritance tax is supposed to support a meritocracy, at least in theory. We've lost the very concept of a meritocracy. We used to have at least a semblance of one.

Think about this: the richest man ever was John D. Rockefeller, worth about 3 times as much as Bill Gates. As much of a bastard as Rockefeller was, he rose on his own merits, not through inherited wealth. One - ONE - of his descendants is on the Richest 400 list today. SIX Waltons are on the 400 Richest list, and Rockefeller's fortune dwarfed theirs. Even accounting for extra generations, the Waltons are keeping more of their wealth than the Rockefellers did. It was not due to any lack of planning on John D's part (he set up a trust that is still functioning to keep the Rockefeller descendants very, very rich).

Now add in the difference in character between earlier generations and now (that's what Okee is missing IMO - he's assuming people still behave in the same way). The Rockefellers (and Carnegie, etc.) built monuments to themselves that were meant for all the people to enjoy. Even if they did it for their egos, and even if they blatantly thought of average people as vermin, even if they were just scared of the concept of judgment towards the end of their lives, the public still benefitted in some way from their largesse. Where is the money of most of the superrich going now? (I'm not including someone like Gates who is clearly spending a lot on his legacy). This crosses political lines, too. It's not like the Democratic rich have some lock on wealth sharing. You spoke of noblesse oblige. It no longer exists. Even if it wasn't about right and wrong, it was at least about appearances, propriety. (And, BTW, even mobsters spread the wealth to some extent - they used to pay for people's kids to go to Catholic school, and donated to hospitals and churches.) So we now have the contrast between some pretty evil people who still spread the wealth a bit because keeping it all was outside the pale, and today's erstwhile 'decent rich' donate to their other rich friends' foundations, which are often used primarily to keep the wealth channeled to the right people. No more noblesse oblige.

We are headed towards the walled compound guarded by a private army, with most everyone else starving outside the gates. Lifting inheritance taxes is just speeding up our trip.