Abortion

[Martin Hash]

I know liberty when people who obviously don't know-better-n-me quit trying to tell me what to do.

[Xenophon]

In a Liberty society, I don't have to like you, and I don't have to respect you; I only have to tolerate you, because we have a treaty to stay out of each other's business, especially my daughter's business.

Liberty is worthless in the hands of hedonists. Without traditional civility or common values, your freedom does nothing but continue society down the path of self-destruction. Allowing the “Liberty” of the individual to include unrestricted infanticide is insane. If your daughter is grown up enough to start copulating with her peers, then she is grown up enough to raise the child.

Another Liberty-hater trying to force their values on me.

p.s. I AM a fucking hedonist, so the fuck what?

I have no doubt that you and people like you are hedonistic. Probably not on the scale of a blood orgy, but hedonistic nonetheless. I am not trying some sort of a guilt trip. I know better than to try and convince a hedonist of anything.

Liberty as a concept cannot thrive in a multicultural society. All cultures do not value Jeffersonian Democratic values, and to think otherwise is naive. In a society that becomes increasingly multicultural, there needs to be peaceful separation between or physical removal of opposing cultural values.

I shouldn’t have to live next to the blood orgy, and you shouldn’t have to live next to the church. Allow cultures to exist in their own right, separate from one another, and the cream will rise to the top.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I shouldn’t have to live next to the blood orgy, and you shouldn’t have to live next to the church.

Provided that you don't fuck with each other, yes.. you should.

[Martin Hash]

I shouldn’t have to live next to the blood orgy, and you shouldn’t have to live next to the church.

Provided that you don't fuck with each other, yes.. you should.

That's right.

Because we have a treaty to leave each other alone. That's the only way it works when we share a piece of ground. Move to someplace you like better. Idaho? A commune in New Mexico? Utah?

[Xenophon]

I shouldn’t have to live next to the blood orgy, and you shouldn’t have to live next to the church.

Provided that you don't fuck with each other, yes.. you should.

That's right.

Because we have a treaty to leave each other alone.

I disagree. Separation or physical removal. Appeasement hinders both groups.

[Martin Hash]

Move.

[K@th]

I disagree. Separation or physical removal. Appeasement hinders both groups.

Perhaps you'd find El Salvador's abortion laws to your liking.

Women in El Salvador currently have to bring their pregnancy to term even if their lives, physical, or mental health is at risk as well as in cases of rape or incest, underage pregnancies, fetal impairment (if the fetus won't survive pregnancy or will struggle with health issues).

Women who have an illegal abortion face sentences of two to eight years in jail, and medical professionals who assist them can face up to 12 years in jail. This leads to doctors reporting their patients who experienced complications after miscarriages, or abortions to the police.

The law on abortion, which has been in place since 1998, says that women who experience miscarriages face up to 40 years of imprisonment for aggravated murder.

Or perhaps Nicaragua.

In Nicaragua, abortion laws prevent women from terminating pregnancies even when their lives are at risk.

The laws are so strict that a single mother of two was refused life-saving chemotherapy to beat thyroid cancer earlier this year because she was pregnant. The treatment would have "killed" the fetus, and was considered an abortion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/countrie ... alvadors-5

Anyway, you have several choices.

[Xenophon]

I disagree. Separation or physical removal. Appeasement hinders both groups.

Perhaps you'd find El Salvador's abortion laws to your liking.

Women in El Salvador currently have to bring their pregnancy to term even if their lives, physical, or mental health is at risk as well as in cases of rape or incest, underage pregnancies, fetal impairment (if the fetus won't survive pregnancy or will struggle with health issues).

Women who have an illegal abortion face sentences of two to eight years in jail, and medical professionals who assist them can face up to 12 years in jail. This leads to doctors reporting their patients who experienced complications after miscarriages, or abortions to the police.

The law on abortion, which has been in place since 1998, says that women who experience miscarriages face up to 40 years of imprisonment for aggravated murder.

Or perhaps Nicaragua.

In Nicaragua, abortion laws prevent women from terminating pregnancies even when their lives are at risk.

The laws are so strict that a single mother of two was refused life-saving chemotherapy to beat thyroid cancer earlier this year because she was pregnant. The treatment would have "killed" the fetus, and was considered an abortion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/countrie ... alvadors-5

Anyway, you have several choices.

Miscarriages are not the same thing as abortion. If a tree falls on someone because the wind is blowing, you don’t charge the landowner for murder. You’re being intentionally disingenuous.

As far as Nicaragua is concerned, that’s fine. If the family was brought back to be the smallest part of society, rather than the individual, the effect on the remaining children would be marginal because they would have a support system.

Maybe think twice about shacking up with dudes if you’re a poverty stricken street wench?

[Speaker to Animals]

I disagree. Separation or physical removal. Appeasement hinders both groups.

Perhaps you'd find El Salvador's abortion laws to your liking.

Women in El Salvador currently have to bring their pregnancy to term even if their lives, physical, or mental health is at risk as well as in cases of rape or incest, underage pregnancies, fetal impairment (if the fetus won't survive pregnancy or will struggle with health issues).

Women who have an illegal abortion face sentences of two to eight years in jail, and medical professionals who assist them can face up to 12 years in jail. This leads to doctors reporting their patients who experienced complications after miscarriages, or abortions to the police.

The law on abortion, which has been in place since 1998, says that women who experience miscarriages face up to 40 years of imprisonment for aggravated murder.

Or perhaps Nicaragua.

In Nicaragua, abortion laws prevent women from terminating pregnancies even when their lives are at risk.

The laws are so strict that a single mother of two was refused life-saving chemotherapy to beat thyroid cancer earlier this year because she was pregnant. The treatment would have "killed" the fetus, and was considered an abortion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/countrie ... alvadors-5

Anyway, you have several choices.

Yes, God forbid we hold women accountable for anything in their lives.

[K@th]

Miscarriages are not the same thing as abortion. If a tree falls on someone because the wind is blowing, you don’t charge the landowner for murder. You’re being intentionally disingenuous.

Not disingenuous - that's literally the law they follow. I was just trying to help you separate yourself from a country where abortion is legal. You have choices.