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[apeman]

our monkey brains would never accept rational rule from a machine. We're far to self-important for that to happen.

Do you think this forum could agree on what rational rule looks like?

Exactly.

I love these Neil Tyson-esq "Rationalia" utopias, where if only humans could be more rational, we would live in a utilitarian paradise.

It's like when a smart 13-year old thinks he is wayyyyy smarter than he actually is.

[Speaker to Animals]

Do you think this forum could agree on what rational rule looks like?

Exactly.

I love these Neil Tyson-esq "Rationalia" utopias, where if only humans could be more rational, we would live in a utilitarian paradise.

It's like when a smart 13-year old thinks he is wayyyyy smarter than he actually is.

If the AI were like NdGT, then wouldn't it just make up lies to justify whatever policy it decided on a whim? That's all he does.

[Fife]

That sounds fine, looking forward.

Looking backward, these retirees and retirees-to-be made a legit bargain for a defined benefit, no?

Are we to just tell them that their situation is now different from the one they agreed to at arms length with the serpents in the not-to-distant past?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Do you think this forum could agree on what rational rule looks like?

Exactly.

I love these Neil Tyson-esq "Rationalia" utopias, where if only humans could be more rational, we would live in a utilitarian paradise.

It's like when a smart 13-year old thinks he is wayyyyy smarter than he actually is.

Point taken, but I fail to see how we could do better than a completely impartial system.

[apeman]

completely impartial system.

Ah, The Completely Impartial System ("CIS").

How does the CIS regulate, say, interstate commerce? Abortion? Healthcare? (would the CIS be biased to provide care to all, no matter how sick, thereby impartially favoring the sick over the healthy in terms of resource distribution? Or the other way around?)

I would assume the CIS would do away with progressive taxation, as it is a hard take to argue somewhat arbitrarily chosen tax brackets are "impartial"

[SuburbanFarmer]

completely impartial system.

Ah, The Completely Impartial System ("CIS").

How does the CIS regulate, say, interstate commerce? Abortion? Healthcare? (would the CIS be biased to provide care to all, no matter how sick, thereby impartially favoring the sick over the healthy in terms of resource distribution? Or the other way around?)

I would assume the CIS would do away with progressive taxation, as it is a hard take to argue somewhat arbitrarily chosen tax brackets are "impartial"

I didn't propose giving AI total control over our government. Only resource allocation - shipping/distribution/logistics. All of that could be handled by a central system. To each according to need, and such.

Maybe a system where the private sector controls the means of production, but has a single customer - the state, which distributes staple goods to the populace. Hell, you could give each person the exact same liters of water, grains of rice, potatoes, etc, if you wanted to.
The luxury goods and entertainment stay as is, all the rest of the economy rumbles along as it has. This idea has some merit, I think...

[apeman]

completely impartial system.

Ah, The Completely Impartial System ("CIS").

How does the CIS regulate, say, interstate commerce? Abortion? Healthcare? (would the CIS be biased to provide care to all, no matter how sick, thereby impartially favoring the sick over the healthy in terms of resource distribution? Or the other way around?)

I would assume the CIS would do away with progressive taxation, as it is a hard take to argue somewhat arbitrarily chosen tax brackets are "impartial"

I didn't propose giving AI total control over our government. Only resource allocation - shipping/distribution/logistics. All of that could be handled by a central system. To each according to need, and such.

Maybe a system where the private sector controls the means of production, but has a single customer - the state, which distributes staple goods to the populace. Hell, you could give each person the exact same liters of water, grains of rice, potatoes, etc, if you wanted to.
The luxury goods and entertainment stay as is, all the rest of the economy rumbles along as it has. This idea has some merit, I think...

I'm listening...

[SuburbanFarmer]

Ah, The Completely Impartial System ("CIS").

How does the CIS regulate, say, interstate commerce? Abortion? Healthcare? (would the CIS be biased to provide care to all, no matter how sick, thereby impartially favoring the sick over the healthy in terms of resource distribution? Or the other way around?)

I would assume the CIS would do away with progressive taxation, as it is a hard take to argue somewhat arbitrarily chosen tax brackets are "impartial"

I didn't propose giving AI total control over our government. Only resource allocation - shipping/distribution/logistics. All of that could be handled by a central system. To each according to need, and such.

Maybe a system where the private sector controls the means of production, but has a single customer - the state, which distributes staple goods to the populace. Hell, you could give each person the exact same liters of water, grains of rice, potatoes, etc, if you wanted to.
The luxury goods and entertainment stay as is, all the rest of the economy rumbles along as it has. This idea has some merit, I think...

I'm listening...

Well, do we really need a free market for things like healthcare, basic foodstuffs, and bottled water? We've seen what happened when Enron got hold of the electrical supply market - manufactured blackouts to drive up energy prices. Same will happen with any basic necessities, under Megacorp Capitalism.
Why not remove those things from the market, and let the market do what it actually does well? Compete to build me an iPhone, not to seal off my water supply and sell it back to me.

[apeman]

Maybe brush up on the 20th century and get back to me.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Maybe brush up on the 20th century and get back to me.

Great discussion, thanks.