The Fucking Thatcher Thread

[DrYouth]

That "fantastic", "Phenomenal", "knock out" post by Monte about all the ills of the Thatcher regime is quickly erased by the worst demons of the lefty nature being expressed. Simply wait them out, let them get too full of themselves, then pounce. Exactly as Smitty laid it out. I'll take note of the day but there are many more to come its why the term "red pill" exist.

Hey look...

Cappy dropped the gauntlet and Monte came out strong.

It was a good first punch.

But he didn't follow up.

Cappy came back strong... He wasn't deterred by that first volley. Shook it off and didn't let up.

Now Smitty couldn't help joining in...

But from the looks of it Cappy coulda held him solo.

Sure I'm a lefty judge. I'll admit it... the lefty arguments tend to resonate with me better...
But I'm aware of my bias.
Did "A is for Anarchist" tilt this fight in Cappy's favor.... I don't think so.
But who could possibly be that self aware.

[clubgop]

That "fantastic", "Phenomenal", "knock out" post by Monte about all the ills of the Thatcher regime is quickly erased by the worst demons of the lefty nature being expressed. Simply wait them out, let them get too full of themselves, then pounce. Exactly as Smitty laid it out. I'll take note of the day but there are many more to come its why the term "red pill" exist.

Hey look...

Cappy dropped the gauntlet and Monte came out strong.

It was a good first punch.

But he didn't follow up.

Cappy came back strong... He wasn't deterred by that first volley. Shook it off and didn't let up.

Now Smitty couldn't help joining in...

But from the looks of it Cappy coulda held him solo.

Sure I'm a lefty judge. I'll admit it... the lefty arguments tend to resonate with me better...
But I'm aware of my bias.
Did "A is for Anarchist" tilt this fight in Cappy's favor.... I don't think so.
But who could possibly be that self aware.

You are Meta mucil my friend. Leftism in of itself has a great first punch, how do you argue against "free" shit? Real life has a way of shaking that off and demonstrating the leftist unsustainability.

[DrYouth]

You are Meta mucil my friend. Leftism in of itself has a great first punch, how do you argue against "free" shit? Real life has a way of shaking that off and demonstrating the leftist unsustainability.

Truth...

But hardship and toughness alone only goes so far.

Once the kingdom has been conquered the weak accumulate...

If you don't feed them they become hungry and angry... and the prisons will no longer hold them.

Executing them weakens moral.

The right hasn't entirely solved this problem....

Now the left hasn't either but it's better at placating the situation.

[DBTrek]

Stalin was a hell of a placator.
Placated those Soviets by the millions.

The right can’t come close to those numbers.

[DrYouth]

Once any ideology seizes full control of the reigns of power all dissent can be crushed.

Totalitarianism is what it is.

The minions of Gaia are as likely to crush their adversaries as the minions of any other ideology.

Let's try to steer clear of totalitarianism with full military enforcement for THE GREATER GOOD or otherwise.

Checks and balances, rule of law, royal opposition, healthy judiciary... all the finer points shall we.

[Montegriffo]

Hey look...

Cappy dropped the gauntlet and Monte came out strong.

It was a good first punch.

But he didn't follow up.

Cappy came back strong... He wasn't deterred by that first volley. Shook it off and didn't let up.

Now Smitty couldn't help joining in...

But from the looks of it Cappy coulda held him solo.

Sure I'm a lefty judge. I'll admit it... the lefty arguments tend to resonate with me better...
But I'm aware of my bias.
Did "A is for Anarchist" tilt this fight in Cappy's favor.... I don't think so.
But who could possibly be that self aware.

Pah, the monkey just spouted his usual cliches. It was the organ grinder brought the real arguments.
I could have used a bit of back up on Nationalisation from Otern, he's more convinced of the benefits than I am.
On gunning down suspects in the streets I'm not swallowing Smitty's military explanation, we were never at a state of war with the IRA they were treated as criminals and locked up with the general population in normal prisons. I'm far from comfortable with shoot to kill replacing arrest and trial.
On dividing a nation she could teach Trump a thing or two.

Ultimately Smitty's solution always comes down to bashing heads and fetching the rope which gives you a look into the authoritarian totalitarian regime we would end up with him in control. Maggie was never shy about using state violence to smash the opposition either.

If it wasn't for the Falklands conflict she would have been a one term leader ousted by the 1922 commitee and replaced with someone from the more moderate side of the party.
I was never wishing for a Labour government but I was desparate for a better Tory one.

[StCapps]

I was never wishing for a Labour government but I was desparate for a better Tory one.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

Judge Thatcher against her political peers, don't judge her against some perfect standard that no one, especially a politician, could ever achieve. That better Tory government hasn't come along since Thatcher, yet you are constantly disappointed by this outcome because you set the bar way too high. You should know better than to expect that outcome, and bitch when it doesn't happen.

You got to stop judging politicians against an ideal and start grading them on a curve. It's no wonder your arguments against Maggie suck so much when that is the angle you choose to approach this conversation from. No politician is perfect, and successfully arguing that some politician isn't perfect, that doesn't mean you're successfully arguing that they suck.
/shrugs

[DBTrek]

Once any ideology seizes full control of the reigns of power all dissent can be crushed.

Totalitarianism is what it is.

That’s an interesting theory. I guess I’d have to see a state which values individual rights, property rights, and human liberty kill a few million people before I’m convinced.

Until then, I gotta stick with the historical record of the political left being the greatest mass murderers on Earth by a wide margin. They’re not one side of a coin, they’re in a league of their own.

[DrYouth]

That’s an interesting theory. I guess I’d have to see a state which values individual rights, property rights, and human liberty kill a few million people before I’m convinced.

A totalitarian state that values individual rights, property rights and human liberty...
How would that be totalitarian?
Not really following that.
Those kind of states put checks on power by definition in order to protect those things....

But sure the Totalitarian Left is certainly the most brutal.... Reign of Terror... Militant lefties are the most unstable of them all.

Militant right is run of the mill... not really unstable.... as it always was... they are comfortable with power.... brutal and repressive perhaps... but not psycho mass murderers for the most part.... with some notable exceptions of course.

[DBTrek]

What is a totalitarian right wing state?

Pinochet?
Who racked up ... what ... 3500 alleged kills?
A few thousand compared to the tens of millions that Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot gave us?
Not even the same league.
Maybe not even the same sport.

Or are you going to try to pin Hitler and his national socialist party on the right wing? Because I think that’s a questionable political attribution at best.

And again, this all goes back to your idea that leftist are better at governing because they look out for the poor and persecuted.
Though often their version of “looking out” for them involves a bullet to the back of the head or a life sentence to a hard labor camp.