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[StCapps]

There's nothing stable about North Korean nuclear hair trigger alert against the CONUS, which is why it should dealt with, preemptively, preventing it from coming about, preventing them from inciting an unstable nuclear paradigm therein.

They are nowhere near inciting an unstable nuclear paradigm, talk to me when they are anywhere near it. Right now there are saber rattling hermit kingdom with no economy, not very scary, at all. Except maybe to those media fops whose "ZOMG North Korea" narrative you are peddling up in here.

[Smitty-48]

There's nothing stable about North Korean nuclear hair trigger alert against the CONUS, which is why it should dealt with, preemptively, preventing it from coming about, preventing them from inciting an unstable nuclear paradigm therein.

They are nowhere near inciting an unstable nuclear paradigm, talk to me when they are anywhere near it. Right now there are saber rattling hermit kingdom with no economy, not very scary, at all.

When they reach the threshold of hair trigger alert intercontinental against the CONUS, that will be an unstable paradigm, the regime in Pyongyang will engage in escalation dominance nuclear blackmail to get their way, that will incite an escalatory ladder which is also assymetrical, which will be inherently unstable, not a stable symmetrical paradigm as with the Russians at all, hence, that is nuclear extremis, and once that threshold is reached, counterforce will be an exponentially more high risk gambit, as CinC, I would choose not to allow that scenario to come about, by executing the counterforce while it was still a comparatively low risk option.

Lefties and Lobergs would caterwaul about it, but the Silent Majority would be with me, and it would simply become the new political reality, and rogue states around the world would be falling over themselves to appease the United States, because yes, it would scare the living shit out of them, but since there was nothing they could do about it, they'd have no choice but to play ball.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week" ~ George S. Patton

[StCapps]

Not seeing any exponentially higher risk in waiting until they get a lot closer. You don't have to wait until they have dozens of ICBMs aimed at the West Coast on hair trigger, before you take them out. You can at least wait until they successfully tested an ICBM before you bring the hammer down on them, if not wait even longer and not be in any real danger.

By the time they are that far, they will be in no position to hit the CONUS, so why not wait, gather more information and hope the situation changes in your favor until then? The time for strategic patience may soon be over, and it's best to have an option on the table for when that day comes, but that day is not today. You might have to resort to preemptive strike eventually, but there is no hurry and there's a possibility it can be avoided.

[Montegriffo]

Sounds like Smitty wants to nuke civilians for the thought crimes of their leaders.
NK might nuke the USA in the future so lets bomb them into the stone age just in case.
Smitty is at least consistantly psychopathic. No surprises from the armchair General....

[StCapps]

Sounds like Smitty wants to nuke civilians for the thought crimes of their leaders.
NK might nuke the USA in the future so lets bomb them into the stone age just in case.
Smitty is at least consistantly psychopathic. No surprises from the armchair General....

What does America gain out of it again? He still hasn't gotten to that part, forget the morality, his argument can't even stand on it's own merits.

@Smitty
Also why is North Korean nuclear blackmail more dangerous than Russian nuclear blackmail, not seeing that either. If everyone will be deterred by nuking North Korea for no reason, then why haven't you advised nuking something else for no reason, in order to deter North Korea? Why are the North Koreans so immune to American nuclear deterrence, while every other nuclear power is not hard to deter by nuking North Korea? Explain that one, genius.


Your logic simply does not hold up to scrutiny, because your armchair general plan is half baked. The North Koreans are not on a suicide mission, they are after nukes to aid in national survival through nuclear deterrence, they aren't out to go rogue and nuke the world just because it isn't the most stable regime in the world.

You're just arguing the dumbest side of the argument for a challenge, and to troll the lolbergs and liberals of the forum, you don't actually believe a word that you are saying. No doubt you will refuse to admit to it, but you aren't fooling me with your devil's advocate routine. You've turned into bloodthirsty drtrech up in this thread with the level of obtuseness you are deliberately engaging in. Hope it brings you the lulz you seek.

[Speaker to Animals]

Not seeing any exponentially higher risk in waiting until they get a lot closer. You don't have to wait until they have dozens of ICBMs aimed at the West Coast on hair trigger, before you take them out. You can at least wait until they successfully tested an ICBM before you bring the hammer down on them, if not wait even longer and not be in any real danger.

By the time they are that far, they will be in no position to hit the CONUS, so why not wait, gather more information and hope the situation changes in your favor until then? The time for strategic patience may soon be over, and it's best to have an option on the table for when that day comes, but that day is not today. You might have to resort to preemptive strike eventually, but there is no hurry and there's a possibility it can be avoided.

But if you strike earlier, there is zero chance that they will nuke California and Seattle.

[StCapps]

But if you strike earlier, there is zero chance that they will nuke California and Seattle.

If you strike after a successful ICBM test, there is also zero chance that they will nuke California or Seattle. What are the chances that they hit you after only one successful test, seems like zero to me. There is no need to rush, like I said, wait and prepare.

[Smitty-48]

Sounds like Smitty wants to nuke civilians for the thought crimes of their leaders.
NK might nuke the USA in the future so lets bomb them into the stone age just in case.
Smitty is at least consistantly psychopathic. No surprises from the armchair General....

What does America gain out of it again? He still hasn't gotten to that part, forget the morality, his argument can't even stand on it's own merits.

@Smitty
Also why is North Korean nuclear blackmail more dangerous than Russian nuclear blackmail, not seeing that either. If everyone will be deterred by nuking North Korea for no reason, then why haven't you advised nuking something else for no reason, in order to deter North Korea? Why are the North Koreans so immune to American nuclear deterrence, while every other nuclear power is not hard to deter by nuking North Korea? Explain that one, genius.


Your logic simply does not hold up to scrutiny, because your armchair general plan is half baked. The North Koreans are not on a suicide mission, they are after nukes to aid in national survival through nuclear deterrence, they aren't out to go rogue and nuke the world just because it isn't the most stable regime in the world.

You're just arguing the dumbest side of the argument for a challenge, and to troll the lolbergs and liberals of the forum, you don't actually believe a word that you are saying.

You're simply conflating North Korea with Russia, as if they were the same, when they're not, but make no mistake, when Moscow was run like Pyonyang is, that was the brink of war then as well, if the Kremlin was seized somehow by the regime in Pyongyang, that would be the brink of World War Three, of course it would be.

But the Russian regime is not the regime in Pyongyang, Pyongyang is a completely different animal.

[Speaker to Animals]

But if you strike earlier, there is zero chance that they will nuke California and Seattle.

If you strike after a successful ICBM test, there is also zero chance that they will nuke California or Seattle. What are the chances that they hit you after only one successful test, seems like zero to me.

Hopefully Der Trumpenfurher has this figured out and we will get rid of the west coast before long.

[StCapps]

You're simply conflating North Korea with Russia, as if they were the same, when they're not, but make no mistake, when Moscow was run like Pyonyang is, that was the brink of war then as well, if the Kremlin was seized somehow by the regime in Pyongyang, that would be the brink of World War Three, of course it would be.

Nonsense. You sound like the Pentagon with your "ZOMG North Korea" bullshit. You are the one falsely conflating Russia and North Korea, as if the North Koreans will ever have a nuclear arsenal that stacks up to the current Russian arsenal. Therefore America does not have to treat NK as if they took over Russia, because that isn't the situation.