2020 election

[StCapps]

Biden is a train wreck. I have no doubt the Dems will run him in stupid desperation because they think like you.

Fucking Obama had to shut Biden up several times for say in f laughable shit. Plus in recent history Dems dont do well with well known candidates like Gore and Kerry. They do much better with candidates they rush to the top like Clinton and Obama

Tulsi isn't Obama or Bill Clinton, they had charisma, Tulsi does not. Democrats do not think like me, if they did, Tulsi and Yang would be doing a whole lot better, but I don't project my views of the Democrat electorate, unlike some people.

I think the Dems should just pick a McGovern and tank, then they will have a better chance in 2024. Biden might have the best chance in 2020, but that isn't good enough to beat Trump, so what's the point? Save the good candidates for a more winnable election and run the unelectable kook to discredit far left extremists in 2020, if I was a Democrat, that would be my play.

Picking Biden increases the chances that the Dems misread the results of the 2016 and 2020 elections to mean that moderate democrats can't win just because Biden and Clinton lost to Trump, and then they will run an unelectable kook in 2024 instead, thinking that is the path to victory, which will set the party back a lot more than getting the tank out of the way against the incumbent and keeping the powder dry for better more moderate candidates in 2024.

If I was a Republican I'd want Biden to win, because that way the Democrats might take even longer to get their shit together before they are electable again.

[Speaker to Animals]

Biden is Jeb 2.0.

[StCapps]

Biden is Jeb 2.0.

He really isn't. Jeb never had the kind of lead that Biden has now, and the establishment/moderate lane was far more clogged on the Republican 2016 field than in the Democrat 2020 field.

Biden is Romney 2.0 or Kerry 2.0, 2020 is a lot more like 2012 or 2006, then it's like 2016.

2016 had no incumbent, it's unwise to compare 2020 to a year with no incumbent running, it's not the same dynamic at all. The non-incumbent party is more likely to play it safe and keep their powder dry for a non-incumbent year to run their best candidates, and choose a generic moderate who has no chance against the incumbent.

[C-Mag]

We disagree on the potential appeal of Tulsi. But I mostly agree with the rest.

As far as 2020, it's not even so much the Dems, as the swamp Never Trumpers that are desperate to be rid of the Orange Man. So, they will push Biden until he falters. If they are lucky, it will happen fairly early.

I hear what you are saying about Biden winning being a blessing in disguise. If the Dems get their shit together the retribution will be like Sherman marching to the sea.

[C-Mag]

Biden is Jeb 2.0.

He's a different kind of Jeb, not nearly as bad, but same result.

I dont think either of them really want it.

[StCapps]

Democrats can't win in 2020, so might as well just maximize their chances of winning in 2024, instead of going all in on 2020.

[StCapps]

Biden is Jeb 2.0.

He's a different kind of Jeb, not nearly as bad, but same result.

I dont think either of them really want it.

Biden is much higher energy, he's more like Mitt than Jeb.

Got to compare Biden to candidates who ran against an incumbent.

Look to 2012, 2006, 1996, 1992, 1984, 1980 and 1972, enough of these goldfish memory 2016 comparisons that do not fit.

Clearly Biden isn't Bill Clinton or Ronnie Reagan, and neither are any other Democrat nominees in 2020, so take out 1992 and 1980, what does that leave you?

Romney, Kerry, Dole, Mondale and McGovern.

Biden fits the Romney/Kerry/Dole/Mondale mold, Sanders fits the McGovern mold.

Historically speaking, the Biden-like candidate that can't win against the incumbent, wins the party nomination four out five times since 1972, when there is no Reagan or Clinton to bail either party out against an elected incumbent.

If you want to believe in a pipe dream where all establishment candidates post-2016 have no chance against any outsider who comes along, just because Trump won, I have a bridge to sell you.

[C-Mag]

Americans dont like multi decade Washington politicians as POTUS. That's what Biden is.

Biden will have a mo.ent in the campaign like his shotgun on the porch moment.

Its Trumps race to lose. Biden will never win by his own actions.

[StCapps]

Americans dont like multi decade Washington politicians as POTUS. That's what Biden is.

Biden will have a mo.ent in the campaign like his shotgun on the porch moment.

Its Trumps race to lose. Biden will never win by his own actions.

Americans will vote for a multi decade Washington politicians as POTUS or for a party nomination, if the opposition is weak, and the 2020 dem field is pretty much as weak as it gets.

Biden won't beat Trump, but that's because Trump isn't weak and he's actually really good at campaigning, not because he's an outsider, and any outsider can beat any multi-decade Washington politician, that isn't how it works.

Just because Trump won, doesn't mean that Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang are poised to do damage, they ain't Trump. Jeb lost because Trump entered the race, without Trump, he could very well have won, and there is no Democrat Trump in 2020. So assuming Biden is as doomed as Jeb, is simply trying to force the square 2016 peg into the round 2020 hole.

[C-Mag]

Ya know.
That's a whole lot of bullshit for me to read while I'm drinking whiskey