Merican Nazi: An Origin story

[Smitty-48]

Whatever, came in as a conservative firebrand, left as a tax and spend big government nanny stater, for the win; GOP triangulation.

[clubgop]

You don't realize how bad those first two years was dor Clinton and the dems. 40 years of congressional democrat corruption was coming to a head. Clinton passed a tax hike and an AWB not a conservative. Not a single Republican incumbent lost a race. The contract wirh America nationalized House races. Clinton had to flip his script and fast. That is where Dick Morris came in.

[clubgop]

Whatever, came in as a conservative firebrand, left as a tax and spend big government nanny stater, for the win; GOP triangulation.

Hardly, came in with the USSR on the ascendancy left with it on its deathbed handing it off to his successor inspiring a Republican party for a generation. Clinton can't say that, left the dems hating him but unable to quit him.

Just like Monty hates himself for being a leftist child fucker but can't quit being a leftist child fucker.

[Okeefenokee]

Donating one MHF shekel to clubby for holding the line against ivory tower canadian bolshies.

[Smitty-48]

Whatever, came in as a conservative firebrand, left as a tax and spend big government nanny stater, for the win; GOP triangulation.

Hardly, came in with the USSR on the ascendancy left with it on its deathbed handing it off to his successor inspiring a Republican party for a generation. Clinton can't say that, left the dems hating him but unable to quit him.

Meh, I don't credit Reagan with the fall of the Soviets and the end of the Cold War, but in actual fact, it was a disaster for America, without the Soviets, America has drifted into a perpetual malaise and turned in against itself, the Cold War was the best of times, America in the wake of the Cold War has been a dumpster fire, the Iron and Bamboo Curtains were the greatest things that ever happened for Americans, globalization has been America's bane.

And anybody who is actually conservative in America, rightly declaims Reagan as being a total phony, Red Team hacks notwithstanding, Reagan was a bloated big government runaway nanny stater.

[clubgop]

Whatever, came in as a conservative firebrand, left as a tax and spend big government nanny stater, for the win; GOP triangulation.

Hardly, came in with the USSR on the ascendancy left with it on its deathbed handing it off to his successor inspiring a Republican party for a generation. Clinton can't say that, left the dems hating him but unable to quit him.

Meh, I don't credit Reagan with the fall of the Soviets and the end of the Cold War, but in actual fact, it was a disaster for America, without the Soviets, America has drifted into a perpetual malaise and turned in against itself, the Cold War was the best of times, America in the wake of the Cold War has been a dumpster fire, the Iron and Bamboo Curtains were the greatest things that ever happened for Americans, globalization has been America's bane.

And anybody who is actually conservative in America, rightly declaims Reagan as being a total phony, Red Team hacks notwithstanding, Reagan was a bloated big government runaway nanny stater.

Hardly, that checklist you got he invented that muthafucka. No parliamentary supremacy here so you have to make priorities and make them count. He did just that. Clinton on the other hand had to keep handing things to the GOP to invest political capital so he could stick his dick in stuff. That was his priority.

[Smitty-48]

Hardly, came in with the USSR on the ascendancy left with it on its deathbed handing it off to his successor inspiring a Republican party for a generation. Clinton can't say that, left the dems hating him but unable to quit him.

Meh, I don't credit Reagan with the fall of the Soviets and the end of the Cold War, but in actual fact, it was a disaster for America, without the Soviets, America has drifted into a perpetual malaise and turned in against itself, the Cold War was the best of times, America in the wake of the Cold War has been a dumpster fire, the Iron and Bamboo Curtains were the greatest things that ever happened for Americans, globalization has been America's bane.

And anybody who is actually conservative in America, rightly declaims Reagan as being a total phony, Red Team hacks notwithstanding, Reagan was a bloated big government runaway nanny stater.

Hardly, that checklist you got he invented that muthafucka. No parliamentary supremacy here so you have to make priorities and make them count. He did just that. Clinton on the other hand had to keep handing things to the GOP to invest political capital so he could stick his dick in stuff. That was his priority.

Hardly, Reagan had no real priorities, he just bumbled around making it up as he went, SDI, War On Drugs, Nicaruagua, it was all balderdash, Clinton's priority was simply to be popular and he was more popular than Reagan, Reagan never breached 60% and left office at 53%, Clinton peaked in his second term at 73% and left office at 55%, the more Reagan caved into the Democrat congress the less popular he became, the more Clinton caved into the GOP congress, the more popular he became.

Pretty similar trajectory, Reagan comes in, big recession, then he juices the stock market so there is a brief boom, then it blows up in 1987, Clinton comes in, big recession, then he juices the stock market and it goes on a huge boom, then it blows up in 2000. Reagan has his big victory in Grenada, debacle in Beirut, Clinton has his big victory in Bosnia, debacle in Mogadishu, Reagan has Iran Contra, Clinton has Monica Lewinski, almost the same in every way, except Clinton had a bigger economic boom, better military victory, lesser military defeat, commits a far less serious crime against the republic, and is ultimately more popular in office than Reagan was.

The biggest difference is that Republicans have fabricated a phony baloney Reagan myth which they worship cult of the personality style, and Democrats are simply more realistic in their assessments of Clinton.

[BjornP]

Monty is a John Majorite Tory, he's said so many times, well to the Right of Donald Trump John Major was, Trump is to the left of Bill Clinton in fact.

But his leftism is manifest in other ways. Like how he wants to abrogate his sovereignty to Brussels. His actions are leftist.

Yeah, it's only those European and British leftists that love and support the EU! Excatly! You got it right, clubby. A regoolar pawlitkool expoit, you is.

[clubgop]

Monty is a John Majorite Tory, he's said so many times, well to the Right of Donald Trump John Major was, Trump is to the left of Bill Clinton in fact.

But his leftism is manifest in other ways. Like how he wants to abrogate his sovereignty to Brussels. His actions are leftist.

Yeah, it's only those European and British leftists that love and support the EU! Excatly! You got it right, clubby. A regoolar pawlitkool expoit, you is.

That was just one example, I stand by it. Is UKIP and other parties like that considered left? Is that I am supposed to believe? Anit Brexi made it a left right fight and they lost it. Oh do you like the EU and don't consider yourself a leftist? You want to make this about you? No one gives an icy fuck. Be in your place with unnecessary vowels and shoovee it.

[clubgop]

Meh, I don't credit Reagan with the fall of the Soviets and the end of the Cold War, but in actual fact, it was a disaster for America, without the Soviets, America has drifted into a perpetual malaise and turned in against itself, the Cold War was the best of times, America in the wake of the Cold War has been a dumpster fire, the Iron and Bamboo Curtains were the greatest things that ever happened for Americans, globalization has been America's bane.

And anybody who is actually conservative in America, rightly declaims Reagan as being a total phony, Red Team hacks notwithstanding, Reagan was a bloated big government runaway nanny stater.

Hardly, that checklist you got he invented that muthafucka. No parliamentary supremacy here so you have to make priorities and make them count. He did just that. Clinton on the other hand had to keep handing things to the GOP to invest political capital so he could stick his dick in stuff. That was his priority.

Hardly, Reagan had no real priorities, he just bumbled around making it up as he went, SDI, War On Drugs, Nicaruagua, it was all balderdash, Clinton's priority was simply to be popular and he was more popular than Reagan, Reagan never breached 60% and left office at 53%, Clinton peaked in his second term at 73% and left office at 55%, the more Reagan caved into the Democrat congress the less popular he became, the more Clinton caved into the GOP congress, the more popular he became.

Pretty similar trajectory, Reagan comes in, big recession, then he juices the stock market so there is a brief boom, then it blows up in 1987, Clinton comes in, big recession, then he juices the stock market and it goes on a huge boom, then it blows up in 2000. Reagan has his big victory in Grenada, debacle in Beirut, Clinton has his big victory in Bosnia, debacle in Mogadishu, Reagan has Iran Contra, Clinton has Monica Lewinski, almost the same in every way, except Clinton had a bigger economic boom, better military victory, lesser military defeat, commits a far less serious crime against the republic, and is ultimately more popular in office than Reagan was.

The biggest difference is that Republicans have fabricated a phony baloney Reagan myth which they worship cult of the personality style, and Democrats are simply more realistic in their assessments of Clinton.

That was not bumbling around that was jacking the Soviets around, brilliant balderdash on the bolshies. As for the popularity, Clinton never got over 50% in either election, Reagan won 2 landslides. The only polls that count. Those public opinion polls are meaningless MSM narrative driven bullshit. As for the comparison crap salad. Clinton's crimes were myriad Monica Lewinski was the most salacious hardly the most serious. Travelgate, whitewatergate, filegate, and bunch of others, don't forget stealing the silverware on the way out the door and trashing the West wing.

Call it what you want but a legacy dog is the coin of the realm, Reagan has one, Clinton is Bill Cosby, all the brilliance erased by the dirty deeds of his dick.