LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Ex-California]

I just tell people to shit or get off the pot at this point.

If they want to limit guns, get the 2A repealed. Don't look for daddy gubmint to chip away rights and perform security kabuki to make their fee-fees better, use your rights as a citizen to urge your representatives to do what the Founders intended and repeal the 2A and then vote to ratify it.

No one, not one person has come back and said they agree with this plan. Too much work

Not surprisingly, these are the same people who think "Cheeto" is a dictator because he doesn't follow the Constitution.

[Smitty-48]

Or even just put their money where their mouths are, and actually just pass a federal AWB again, it's poltical suicide for the Democrats, they'd blow themselves up and take their whole agenda down with, and then the AWB would be repealed, again, but by all means, liberals, hoist yourselves on that petard, I'd love to see it, that would be the cackling with maniacal glee zone right thur.

All the Democrats do is sucker liberals into giving them money, they well know that actually passing the federal gun laws that this gravy train is demanding, would be throwing gasoline on the party and lighting a match, so they're not going to do anything, nothing, nada, bupkis, zilch, they could get a supermajority, and they still wouldn't do it.

[The Conservative]

Just because you are getting browbeaten by your FB friends, so? You have a flood of whiny, bitch people that hide behind a screen that decides to beat you senseless because they can. Get a pair to use, or give me your fucking man card...

You guys just love projecting, don't you? "You caved because of Stephen Colbert and your FB friends". Don;t watch Colbert. Don't use FB.

This proved to be pointless. Thank you Smitty for being informative. The rest of you go into 'roid rage at the very mention of even discussing what could be done to prevent or limit attacks like the one in Las Vegas.

This is how I have always been, If you let other people sway you because you are being browbeaten by stupidity and ignorance, then the problem isn't me... it's you.

And absolutely nothing could have been done to keep what happened from happening. This isn't a "What if everyone followed laws" scenario. If we are going that route, then you are crazier than the Mad Hatter.

Let me give you a hint: The people you don't have to worry about are the ones that follow the laws. those who are willing to break the laws will and those are the ones you need to worry about.

People who are law abiding citizens just want to own the guns to shoot at the range and have a fun time with family in most cases. The others want to collect guns because they can.

Writing more laws to make it harder for normal people to get them is like having a British Police Officer with a billy club telling you to stop while you are 30 feet away. What are you going to do? Probably run away unless you are a fat bastard. So then what is the cop going to do? He's going to say stop again...

That is what these laws are, a British Police Officer saying stop to people who are too far away from them to actually do any good. Want real results? Bring back the death penalty for First-Degree murders.

[Smitty-48]

This proved to be pointless. Thank you Smitty for being informative. The rest of you go into 'roid rage at the very mention of even discussing what could be done to prevent or limit attacks like the one in Las Vegas.

It's a lone wolf suicide attack, operationally, there's literally nothing you can do to stop that sort of thing, it's a one off, it's a black swan event, what could you really do? You could assemble the arsenal which that guy assembled, in Canada, with the very gun control laws that the most left wing of left wing Americans advocate for, we got all the laws, and we've had two mass shootings, with guys packing more firepower than that guy was shooting at the crowd with there, we had one mass shooter with an HK91, and another with an M14, and all the gun laws in Canada, didn't make a lick of difference, lone wolf suicide attack, is not subject to the law, it's not even subject to operations, and if you can acquire an HK91 and an M14 in Canada, then what realistically could you legislate to prevent that, in America, where the gun is king?

The gun is not king here, gun control is king, but it's a crown of paper, doesn't actually stop bullets when the lone wolf opens fire, black swan event.

[The Conservative]

The rest of you go into 'roid rage at the very mention of even discussing what could be done to prevent or limit attacks like the one in Las Vegas.

It's a lone wolf suicide attack, operationally, there's literally nothing you can do to stop that sort of thing, it's a one off, it's a black swan event, what could you really do? You could assemble the arsenal which that guy assembled, in Canada, with the very gun control laws that the most left wing of left wing Americans advocate for, we got all the laws, and we've had two mass shootings, with guys packing more firepower than that guy was shooting at the crowd with there, we had one mass shooter with an HK91, and another with an M14, and all the gun laws in Canada, didn't make a lick of difference, lone wolf suicide attack, is not subject to the law, it's not even subject to operations.

Not to nitpick, but I didn't say that.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Main Argument As Always: "Criminals will just do it anyway, idiot!"

Same Old Response: "Ok, then why aren't we being bombed by renegade F-15s? Why don't we see these attacks carried out with heavy mortars, chlorine gas, or artillery? Oh wait, those things are illegal? "

Tiresome Retort: "Civil War... gerp..Revolution...guuhhh...YOU LOVE TERRORISTSaderpaderpaderpa!"

*Circle jerk about personal weaponry, once other side gets bored with insane ramblings. Internet rolls along, sun goes down, sun comes up. Next mass shooting happens. Repeat*

[K@th]

Serious question. Is there any such thing as a reasonable gun control?

I'm curious if some of you have any limits whatsoever?

Age, waiting period, background check?

Any and all comers, without restriction, no ID needed, whatever type of weapon they want? How about missile launchers, for example?

[DBTrek]

I think you need to ask yourself the reverse.

We already have all sorts of restrictions on gun ownership.
Still the left caterwauls.
Is there any amount of restriction that is enough for the left?
Because all we've done to the 2nd Amendment since its inception is restrict it further and further and still the caterwauling continues.

[Smitty-48]

Serious question. Is there any such thing as a reasonable gun control?

I'm curious if some of you have any limits whatsoever?

Age, waiting period, background check?

Any and all comers, without restriction, no ID needed, whatever type of weapon they want? How about missile launchers, for example?

It's only reasonable if it actually works to the stated purpose that the advocates are invoking, so we have all the laws which the gun control loonies in America want, and many more beyond even what they could reasonably hope for, and it still wouldn't have stopped that mass shooting, lone wolf suicide attack, so the reality is, it's security theater, which, no, that's not actually reasoned, that's all feelz.

[PartyOf5]

The rest of you go into 'roid rage at the very mention of even discussing what could be done to prevent or limit attacks like the one in Las Vegas.

It's a lone wolf suicide attack, operationally, there's literally nothing you can do to stop that sort of thing, it's a one off, it's a black swan event, what could you really do? You could assemble the arsenal which that guy assembled, in Canada, with the very gun control laws that the most left wing of left wing Americans advocate for, we got all the laws, and we've had two mass shootings, with guys packing more firepower than that guy was shooting at the crowd with there, we had one mass shooter with an HK91, and another with an M14, and all the gun laws in Canada, didn't make a lick of difference, lone wolf suicide attack, is not subject to the law, it's not even subject to operations, and if you can acquire an HK91 and an M14 in Canada, then what realistically could you legislate to prevent that, in America, where the gun is king?

The gun is not king here, gun control is king, but it's a crown of paper, doesn't actually stop bullets when the lone wolf opens fire, black swan event.

That was actually my quote, not TCs.

If the person goes in knowing he's going to die, then death penalty laws aren't going to deter him. I would be for it anyways as a way to deter the ones who plan on getting away with murder and living on.

There's still a lot of misinformation flying about, but it sounds like hie wife or girlfriend knew about his plans. usually others close to these shooters have an idea of what is going down. Find ways to get these "accomplices" convicted with some harsher penalties and maybe you'd have someone rat him out before he can carry out his plan.

And TC, just because someone changes their stance doesn't mean they were browbeaten. If you aren't going to at least respect my opinion, then don't expect to get it back in the future.