My use of you was not intended to mean you personally more a general "those who might argue against"apeman wrote:You know me better than that (I think)!Montegriffo wrote:But prevent is an absolute doomed to fail and therefore you could argue that it is not worth trying, whereas reduce is much more obtainable and probably more effective than temporary incarceration or drugging up to the eyeballs which have been shown to be ineffective.
Unless you think mental illness is merely a euphemism for evil in which case an exorcism to force out the demons is the only course of action.
I agree that prevent is doomed to fail. I also believe that we do not have an epidemic of violence and shooting, historically, very safe. That being said, the new-ish phenomenon of mass shooting is a serious problem that requires investigation. And what is the easy solution that is trotted out over and over? More mental health care. But what does that look like? How does it work? How would Lanza have been targeted for mental health services? What would these services do?
I think the "mental health" solution is mostly nonsense, it is a feel-good way to say you have a solution to a problem, but in reality that solution isn't though through. I mean, I we gonna have mandatory mental assessments in public school, where the psych's evaluation of each student has meaningful and lasting effects on their lives? How long does the pysch spend with each student to arrive at these conclusions?
How does any of this actually work IRL?
A way to make this actually work IRL could be to have a more inclusive health system rather than one which only treats those with enough money to afford treatment.
I don't even think poor gun control is the cause of school shootings only that it makes them much easier to carry out.
I'm sure that in many cases the signs of mental illness are there to be seen by teachers, friends and family but while "crazy" is seen as a moral defect rather than a disease treatment is dis-incentivised or treated with a nice profitable pharmaceutical solution rather than treating the causes such as bullying or drug abuse which might reflect badly on the school itself.