Our Guy Flynn

[Speaker to Animals]

Ain't spyin' on Russians the intelligence communities bread n' Butter?

I thought monitoring phone calls from diplomats representing countries we have difficult relations with was standard.

Is the Trump administration the "Russians" now?

That can't really be what you see happening.

Flynn was a hatchet job, but it wasn't an illegal hatchet job.

I didn't even bring up the legality or constitutionality of spying on the incoming administration.

I pointed out that the Obama administration did everything possible to cripple the incoming administration, and their sleepers remain in various positions to do the kind of damage Yates has done. The intelligence community is obvious in on it, or at least some faction therein.

We have Obama setting up shop down the street from the White House apparently organizing these violent "protests".

But go ahead and cheer while you see your government getting ripped apart by the establishment.

[Smitty-48]

Flynn was just doing what Trump told him to do, talk to the Russians, smooth things over, make sure they know that this is just a temporary thing until Obama is out, when Trump is in, things will be different, then, just three weeks later, Trump throws him under the bus unceremoniously; message received, I'm quite sure, Washington Consensus is back, don't rock the boat if you know what's good for you.

Who is going to stick their necks out to be the Outsiders now? Nobody, that's clearly off the agenda, just like that.

[ssu]

Doesn't matter if they spied, they didn't have shit, Trump didn't have to fold, he certainly didn't have to fold like a cheap shirt on one of his key people just three weeks in over something that Trump directed that person to do, but it wasn't the CIA who talked Trump into this, it was Pence.

The speed here makes me think that there truly is something fishy here. Because otherwise you can have your whatever "scandal" in the Trump administration... and well, it's the Trump administration.

Anyway, Trumps dumps people that are accused of being in cahoots with the Russians with such speed it raises eyebrows.

Carter Page - brought in as one of the five early foreign policy advisors in March 2016 - then Trump team insists it has nothing to do with him
Paul Manafort - campaign chief from March 2016 to August 2016 - quick removal to "new position" and then out of sight
Flynn - picked in November 2016, just weeks in his position and then apologies and resignation accepted very quickly.

Not so many Russophiles in the Trump administration anymore. And all those mentioned in the unsubstantiated dossier are gone, btw.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Consider what would happen if we had actual news. The story would read something like:

Obama administration ordered the intelligence community to spy on the incoming Trump administration team. The intelligence community surreptitiously recorded a conversation between Flynn and a Russian diplomat. While the recording produced no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, the discussion did not in fact comport to his description of it to Vice President Pence.

This is what I was addressing. That is not at all what happened, but somehow it would be actual news to tell it that way?

Since the Obama sleeper cell theory is just the opinion of a blog you like, I am not awed by the veracity of those claims either.

[Smitty-48]

Doesn't matter if they spied, they didn't have shit, Trump didn't have to fold, he certainly didn't have to fold like a cheap shirt on one of his key people just three weeks in over something that Trump directed that person to do, but it wasn't the CIA who talked Trump into this, it was Pence.

The speed here makes me think that there truly is something fishy here. Because otherwise you can have your whatever "scandal" in the Trump administration... and well, it's the Trump administration.

Anyway, Trumps dumps people that are accused of being in cahoots with the Russians with such speed it raises eyebrows.

Carter Page - brought in as one of the five early foreign policy advisors in March 2016 - then Trump team insists it has nothing to do with him
Paul Manafort - campaign chief from March 2016 to August 2016 - quick removal to "new position" and then out of sight
Flynn - picked in November 2016, just weeks in his position and then apologies and resignation accepted very quickly.

Not so many Russophiles in the Trump administration anymore. And all those mentioned in the unsubstantiated dossier are gone, btw.

Has to be done, the GOP needs the Russians to be the enemy just as much as URFP needs America as an enemy, America-Russia kumbaya doesn't work for the Ultranationalist Hawks, Ultranationalist Hawks need an Ultranationalist adversary, and the GOP needs a reason to go on an MIC spending spree.

[Speaker to Animals]

Consider what would happen if we had actual news. The story would read something like:

Obama administration ordered the intelligence community to spy on the incoming Trump administration team. The intelligence community surreptitiously recorded a conversation between Flynn and a Russian diplomat. While the recording produced no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, the discussion did not in fact comport to his description of it to Vice President Pence.

This is what I was addressing. That is not at all what happened, but somehow it would be actual news to tell it that way?

Since the Obama sleeper cell theory is just the opinion of a blog you like, I am not awed by the veracity of those claims either.

That's exactly what happened.

Flynn met with a Russian diplomat. They discussed the Russian sanctions in some capacity. Flynn denied discussing it to Pence. We know this because the Obama ordered the intelligence community to spy on them.There exists a recording of the conversation. The former acting Attorney General, besides refusing to do her job, used that information (which was provided to her by somebody within the intelligence community) to try to destroy Flynn. If Flynn actually did something illegal, you better believe we'd know it. Instead all they could get on him was that he misrepresented the content of the discussion to Pence.

That's the facts, jack.

[The Conservative]

Here is the question, would Obama have dumped him if his guy was caught doing the same thing?

[Smitty-48]

Flynn met with a Russian diplomat. They discussed the Russian sanctions in some capacity. Flynn denied discussing it to Pence. We know this because the Obama ordered the intelligence community to spy on them.There exists a recording of the conversation. The former acting Attorney General, besides refusing to do her job, used that information (which was provided to her by somebody within the intelligence community) to try to destroy Flynn. If Flynn actually did something illegal, you better believe we'd know it. Instead all they could get on him was that he misrepresented the content of the discussion to Pence.

That's the facts, jack.

And Trump threw him under the bus without any hesitation, even though they had jack shit on him and he was simply doing what the President directed him to do, three weeks in, fastest firing in Presidential history, you gotta know that that has rippled through the ranks, and the ripple says; Trump is cucking out, so everybody better get with the program.

[Speaker to Animals]

Here is the question, would Obama have dumped him if his guy was caught doing the same thing?

You never would have heard about it. The media wouldn't cover it. Nobody but a few people in the conservative blogosphere would even write about it.

They were caught doing shit like this all the time and nothing happened to them. Gunwalker was a HUGE scandal and nobody really paid the price for that.

[Smitty-48]

Here is the question, would Obama have dumped him if his guy was caught doing the same thing?

If it was Obama, the media wouldn't have spun it as a "violation of the Logan Act!", if it was Obama, the media would be lauding it as a "Russian Reset" and be clapping and cheering about Obama turning away from "Right Wing Warmongering!"