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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Wed May 15, 2019 5:25 am

Hastur wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:50 am
C-Mag wrote:
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Tulsi and Yang are the only two that seem to have an original thought in their heads. This latest guys, who'll just be referred to as candidate 22 is spouting the same shit as all the others.
I would be careful about Yang. He reeks of socialism. He was on Tucker and proposed VAT as a solution to make large multinationals pay taxes. A VAT is paid by the customers, not the companies. It only affects consumers. Trust me, I live in a country with 25% VAT and I've run a retail company. I know how it works. Trying to sneak in a new tax in such a weasely way should totally disqualify him.

And Tucker, the idiot, should know better.

Isn't all corporate taxes paid for by consumers?

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Re: 2020 election

Post by Hastur » Wed May 15, 2019 5:45 am

clubgop wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 5:25 am
Hastur wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:50 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 2:47 pm
Tulsi and Yang are the only two that seem to have an original thought in their heads. This latest guys, who'll just be referred to as candidate 22 is spouting the same shit as all the others.
I would be careful about Yang. He reeks of socialism. He was on Tucker and proposed VAT as a solution to make large multinationals pay taxes. A VAT is paid by the customers, not the companies. It only affects consumers. Trust me, I live in a country with 25% VAT and I've run a retail company. I know how it works. Trying to sneak in a new tax in such a weasely way should totally disqualify him.

And Tucker, the idiot, should know better.

Isn't all corporate taxes paid for by consumers?
Yes, you could argue that. But corporations can often decide how much profit to declare. They can do investments or write-offs and stuff. Without profit though, they can't pay out to shareholders so taxing profits can be seen as taxing the owners, not the customers.

With VAT a company owner declares incoming and outgoing VAT in order to find out how much to pay in each month. It's specifically designed to only be on the end consumer. If my store buys supply I deduct the VAT on the stuff from the VAT I charged my customers when doing the taxes. Same with the items I buy to resell. As a VAT registered company, I pay no VAT. It's only paid by the customer.

Additionally, the VAT is added last so we have a VAT on for example the gas tax at the pump. First, a percentage is added for "the environment" then *1.25 to add VAT. Fun times in socialist utopia.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by C-Mag » Wed May 15, 2019 7:03 am

Hastur wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:50 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 2:47 pm
Tulsi and Yang are the only two that seem to have an original thought in their heads. This latest guys, who'll just be referred to as candidate 22 is spouting the same shit as all the others.
I would be careful about Yang. He reeks of socialism. He was on Tucker and proposed VAT as a solution to make large multinationals pay taxes. A VAT is paid by the customers, not the companies. It only affects consumers. Trust me, I live in a country with 25% VAT and I've run a retail company. I know how it works. Trying to sneak in a new tax in such a weasely way should totally disqualify him.

And Tucker, the idiot, should know better.

Oh, let me clarify.
NOT A FAN OF YANG. I'm just pointing out that he's his own man and is promoting his own platform.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by C-Mag » Thu May 16, 2019 8:19 am

JRE had Tulsi on, I listened to a little. If she ever gets heard, shes going to fuck up the rest of the Dem field
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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Thu May 16, 2019 5:17 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:19 am
JRE had Tulsi on, I listened to a little. If she ever gets heard, shes going to fuck up the rest of the Dem field
No she isn't. Most Democrats don't like what she's selling, and even if they did, she doesn't have the charisma to push the message. Don't project your own views on the Democrat electorate, big mistake.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:17 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:19 am
JRE had Tulsi on, I listened to a little. If she ever gets heard, shes going to fuck up the rest of the Dem field
No she isn't. Most Democrats don't like what she's selling, and even if they did, she doesn't have the charisma to push the message. Don't project your own views on the Democrat electorate, big mistake.
yeah I saw a bit of that. She sounded like a standard sunshine and rainbow politician. She has got the stump, boilerplate, standard platitudes down and she is exceptionally easy on the eyes, if she had any sort of personality beyond generic politician she'd be dangerous. But that standard, rote, "bipartisan," "serving my constituents," "it shouldn't be a team sport" buzzword spouting just ain't going to cut it.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Thu May 16, 2019 5:38 pm

clubgop wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:17 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:19 am
JRE had Tulsi on, I listened to a little. If she ever gets heard, shes going to fuck up the rest of the Dem field
No she isn't. Most Democrats don't like what she's selling, and even if they did, she doesn't have the charisma to push the message. Don't project your own views on the Democrat electorate, big mistake.
yeah I saw a bit of that. She sounded like a standard sunshine and rainbow politician. She has got the stump, boilerplate, standard platitudes down and she is exceptionally easy on the eyes, if she had any sort of personality beyond generic politician she'd be dangerous. But that standard, rote, "bipartisan," "serving my constituents," "it shouldn't be a team sport" buzzword spouting just ain't going to cut it.
Too generic, not an interesting speaker, makes everything sound boring. The few major policy stands she does take doesn't appeal to Democrats and actually hurt her chances. Being a good looking minority woman isn't enough to overcome that, not even close. Anti-war Dems are nowhere near a big enough base to win, and that's all she's got.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by C-Mag » Thu May 16, 2019 6:12 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:17 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:19 am
JRE had Tulsi on, I listened to a little. If she ever gets heard, shes going to fuck up the rest of the Dem field
No she isn't. Most Democrats don't like what she's selling, and even if they did, she doesn't have the charisma to push the message. Don't project your own views on the Democrat electorate, big mistake.

I disagree.
The Dems problem is not the crazy sjw base, its appealing to moderate Dems. She can do it. The party is going to keep her muted though.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Thu May 16, 2019 6:37 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 6:12 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:17 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:19 am
JRE had Tulsi on, I listened to a little. If she ever gets heard, shes going to fuck up the rest of the Dem field
No she isn't. Most Democrats don't like what she's selling, and even if they did, she doesn't have the charisma to push the message. Don't project your own views on the Democrat electorate, big mistake.

I disagree.
The Dems problem is not the crazy sjw base, its appealing to moderate Dems. She can do it. The party is going to keep her muted though.
She does not appeal to the moderates, just the anti-war crowd. Biden smash, he has infinitely more moderate appeal and is far more interesting speaker, with his folksy gaffe's. Thinking she can do it is wishful thinking, very clearly. Assuming it's just because the media refuses to cover her neglects the reason why that is the case, it's not just that they don't like her politics, it's that she isn't interesting and nobody cares. They didn't like Trump's politics, and covered the shit out him, because he was interesting, Tulsi is not.

Her former military and surfer chick schitck isn't going to save her from being boring either, neither is the fact that she is the best looking candidate. Just because the C-Mag's and StA's of the world think she's a great moderate alternative, doesn't mean the Democrats will think the same.

She isn't electable, it's that simple, that why she's being buried. Unless she's playing possum for some weird reason, talk about unlikely wishful thinking though, sheesh.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by C-Mag » Thu May 16, 2019 7:27 pm

Biden is a train wreck. I have no doubt the Dems will run him in stupid desperation because they think like you.

Fucking Obama had to shut Biden up several times for say in f laughable shit. Plus in recent history Dems dont do well with well known candidates like Gore and Kerry. They do much better with candidates they rush to the top like Clinton and Obama
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