The Mess

[Smitty-48]

Gunfighters, courage of their convictions, loud and proud; ain't ready to draw down, stand and deliver in the street? America is not for you, who knew?

[TheReal_ND]

Must make you proud to be American.

Honestly? I would feel a little ashamed to be disarmed.

[Montegriffo]

Our suicide rate is the same as everyone else, but because we have guns, more people kill themselves with guns. So fucking what? You are so disingenuous.

As though that matters at fucking all when you just said the number of deaths are the same. Fucking dishonest bullshit. 10 times more likely to be killed by a gun my ass. You're talking about suicides like they're car crashes that just happen to people.

Keep talking about suicides all you want the murder figures stand alone.

Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher.

Britain has some of the strictest gun regulations in the world and a mass shooting fatality rate of a mere 0.02 per 100,000 people. Most police officers are unarmed, and the licensing of private firearms is tightly controlled. As of the middle of last year, there were 1.8 million licensed guns of all kinds in the country, according a report by the U.K. government. Its population is just under 65 million.

In Australia, with a 0.01 mass shooting fatality rate, liberal gun laws that once chimed with the country’s frontier culture were slowly rolled back in the 1970s and 1980s as the urban population grew and social mores began to shift.

By the mid-1980s, a series of violent crimes and family murders hardened the voice of gun-control lobbyists. But events in the mid-1990s changed the dynamic in Britain and its former colony.

In March 1996, in the small Scottish town of Dunblane, former scout leader Thomas Hamilton shot and killed 16 children and one teacher at an elementary school. A few weeks later, in Port Arthur, Tasmania, a popular tourist site in southern Australia, Martin Bryant took two semiautomatic rifles and went on a killing spree that left 35 people dead.

“Both countries acted decisively after these mass shooting outrages,” said Peter Squires, professor of criminology at the University of Brighton, England. Legislation was quickly enacted; British popular opinion swelled behind a proposal outlawing handguns, while in Australia, a ban on semiautomatic weapons and a national buyback program was endorsed by the federal government in 1997.A study by researchers at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia, published in 2003 showed a significant decrease in firearm related deaths from 1997, sharpening a downward trend that had been gathering steam since an earlier wave of stricter gun regulation in the late 1980s.

In Britain, a similar phenomenon was evident for the four years following the handgun ban. Since Dunblane in 1996, the only other gunman to perpetrate a similar mass murder was English taxi driver Derrick Bird, who shot and killed 12 people in several Cumbrian villages in the summer of 2010.

So tighter gun regulations means fewer gun related murders who could have foreseen that....

[Speaker to Animals]

What happened to your knife and bludgeon attack statistics?

[Okeefenokee]

What happened to your knife and bludgeon attack statistics?

One wonders.

[TheReal_ND]

Oh no, inner city utes can't be trusted to act with agency around rights. Let's just take them away from everybody.

[SuburbanFarmer]

When will you have enough guns to make you feel safe....

Its not about feeling safe. That something cowardly bitches like you and GCF wont undetstand.

How many screwdrivers and hammers does one need to feel handy?

Its about having the right tool for the job.

A job that you don't have and 99% likely never will.

[TheReal_ND]

Ok so?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Ok so?

So the odds are vastly in favor of the gun owner wasting a crapton of money, a kid finding it and blowing their head off, or the gun owner grabbing it in anger and hurting someone.

Self defense with time and training to grab, load, fire, and survive an otherwise unsafe situation, are minuscule over a lifetime, at best.

[TheReal_ND]

Again, so?