People that don't know the value of money....AKA morons.Martin Hash wrote:I buy $1 sunglasses.
p.s. Who the hell can afford $100 sunglasses?
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There is a time for good men to do bad things.
For fuck sake, 1984 is NOT an instruction manual!
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I think Oakley will replace any of their glasses you break, next time your friend does that, ask for the pieces.GrumpyCatFace wrote:I had a buddy in highschool that used to buy $100+ Oakleys. He'd show them off and strut around for a week, then they'd break, and I'd try not to laugh in his face.Martin Hash wrote:I buy $1 sunglasses.
p.s. Who the hell can afford $100 sunglasses?
Also, there is value to having polarized sunglasses, like, you know, $35 of value, not $100.
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When was the last time we cut of an Asian Pacific nation's petroleum imports? Will this end in with same result?
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Pyong ... d=NARAN012
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Pyong ... d=NARAN012
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Buying locally within a system, aids that system.
The paradox is that buying local is generally inefficient and bad for the larger system.
There would be more global wealth if nobody bought local.
But that tells you nothing about where the wealth will reside. Nor does it address the problem that there are some inefficiency of scales.
If all the efficiency did was tell some economist that your nation is better off while adding to some absentee CEOs bank account, well that system gain means jack shit to original customer.
I mean if you take Moore Furniture:
Import Sofa Ashley:
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 30038.html
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 30035.html
Import Sofa Moore Furniture:
https://www.amazon.com/Ashley-Furniture ... B01LWJ6BJL
https://www.amazon.com/Ashley-Furniture ... B008SO8KZC
Now today it looks like Moore Furniture is $100 more expensive on the Sofa, but $50 cheaper on the loveseat.
(Now we have a standard policy of matching anyone's prices for anything we sell, but let's assume we didn't)
Should a customer in Ephrata buy from amazon.com or Moore Furniture?
It depends on what they value.
Service - Is really no question, if they want to humans or get help on warranty stuff, its not even worth debating, that instant human versus 1-800 will be better. As is, I can have someone over to your house today to stitch up the seem, versus their mail back and forth system. Additionally, the whole realm of sitting on it in person versus doing it via a picture, ect.
Timing - in this exact example Moore furniture is better in that I have this in my warehouse locally, so I could do delivery in hours, but that's not always the case, however if I do not, then I am getting from the same warehouse as amazon, so the only timing delay is that of it comes next to my warehouse then your house, so there could be a few hours delay there where I am slower.
$$$ - If you bought both pieces it would cost you an extra theoretical $50, is it still worth it? Probably should be, considering all the extra tax revenue you will capture for your community, and the compounding sales of what Nick will then spend that money on, versus exporting the dollars into the Internets. But not for everybody. $50 is $50. The local system Community X will be better off but smaller system of Consumer X might be worse off. It really boils down to how connect that person is to their community. If they are a roving Romani then why do they care if the local hospital gets an extra $5 in tax revenue, they will be long gone. And the reality is that many communities are falling apart rapidly.
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Now with domestic its generally not very close.
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 10519.html
https://www.wayfair.com/La-Z-Boy-Astor- ... Z1336.html
The Internet giants ability to offer extra efficiency is generally non-existent. They tend to rely on the fact that people perceive them as cheaper but its regularly not true. The efficiency they offer is on the vast number of products that they can connect you with, so if you want the cheapest chair, they will be the best, but if you want a specific item, they are generally not the cheapest.
Case in point- cheapest washing machine I carry:
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 516fw.html
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Amana-3-5-cu ... /207204027
Now in this case the Big Box store is $50 less. But I am more expensive on purpose. If a customer wants me to set the item out on the loading dock and they take it from there, then I have no problem selling it for the same price as the big box. My customer base however is going to assume that I will set it all up in their house and hook all the hose and such... which is simply not the same product that Home Depot is selling. So to the vast majority of random internet users the local guy is more expensive, even if I wouldn't be if they called - more interested in not misleading my current customer base than I am at winning over new ones.
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The question gets harder when you ask should the consumer buy the Import or the Domestic. In furniture the domestic will generally be of a higher quality, but that is not always the case, and to the extent that it is, its generally at a premium. I.E. pay 20% more for a 10% better item.
As to the community, the vast majority of the benefit is received at the first local contact, after that is diffuses fairly rapidly. How much benefit does someone in Ephrata get by buying something made in Georgia than made in Beijing? Some. Not a lot, but more than zero.
Now some of the stuff we sell is made in Seattle, or Portland, does that provide significantly more benefit that Georgia? Generally my customers perceive that to be the case. Made in the Pacific North West makes more of a difference to folks than Made in America.
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Not sure why I bother to write all that but you folks were debating local versus import and the reality is, if you care about the place you are buying at then you should, if you do not then it doesn't matter. But more importantly, you can benefit significantly simply by understand your community network.
The paradox is that buying local is generally inefficient and bad for the larger system.
There would be more global wealth if nobody bought local.
But that tells you nothing about where the wealth will reside. Nor does it address the problem that there are some inefficiency of scales.
If all the efficiency did was tell some economist that your nation is better off while adding to some absentee CEOs bank account, well that system gain means jack shit to original customer.
I mean if you take Moore Furniture:
Import Sofa Ashley:
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 30038.html
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 30035.html
Import Sofa Moore Furniture:
https://www.amazon.com/Ashley-Furniture ... B01LWJ6BJL
https://www.amazon.com/Ashley-Furniture ... B008SO8KZC
Now today it looks like Moore Furniture is $100 more expensive on the Sofa, but $50 cheaper on the loveseat.
(Now we have a standard policy of matching anyone's prices for anything we sell, but let's assume we didn't)
Should a customer in Ephrata buy from amazon.com or Moore Furniture?
It depends on what they value.
Service - Is really no question, if they want to humans or get help on warranty stuff, its not even worth debating, that instant human versus 1-800 will be better. As is, I can have someone over to your house today to stitch up the seem, versus their mail back and forth system. Additionally, the whole realm of sitting on it in person versus doing it via a picture, ect.
Timing - in this exact example Moore furniture is better in that I have this in my warehouse locally, so I could do delivery in hours, but that's not always the case, however if I do not, then I am getting from the same warehouse as amazon, so the only timing delay is that of it comes next to my warehouse then your house, so there could be a few hours delay there where I am slower.
$$$ - If you bought both pieces it would cost you an extra theoretical $50, is it still worth it? Probably should be, considering all the extra tax revenue you will capture for your community, and the compounding sales of what Nick will then spend that money on, versus exporting the dollars into the Internets. But not for everybody. $50 is $50. The local system Community X will be better off but smaller system of Consumer X might be worse off. It really boils down to how connect that person is to their community. If they are a roving Romani then why do they care if the local hospital gets an extra $5 in tax revenue, they will be long gone. And the reality is that many communities are falling apart rapidly.
----
Now with domestic its generally not very close.
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 10519.html
https://www.wayfair.com/La-Z-Boy-Astor- ... Z1336.html
The Internet giants ability to offer extra efficiency is generally non-existent. They tend to rely on the fact that people perceive them as cheaper but its regularly not true. The efficiency they offer is on the vast number of products that they can connect you with, so if you want the cheapest chair, they will be the best, but if you want a specific item, they are generally not the cheapest.
Case in point- cheapest washing machine I carry:
http://www.moorefurniture.net/products/ ... 516fw.html
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Amana-3-5-cu ... /207204027
Now in this case the Big Box store is $50 less. But I am more expensive on purpose. If a customer wants me to set the item out on the loading dock and they take it from there, then I have no problem selling it for the same price as the big box. My customer base however is going to assume that I will set it all up in their house and hook all the hose and such... which is simply not the same product that Home Depot is selling. So to the vast majority of random internet users the local guy is more expensive, even if I wouldn't be if they called - more interested in not misleading my current customer base than I am at winning over new ones.
---
The question gets harder when you ask should the consumer buy the Import or the Domestic. In furniture the domestic will generally be of a higher quality, but that is not always the case, and to the extent that it is, its generally at a premium. I.E. pay 20% more for a 10% better item.
As to the community, the vast majority of the benefit is received at the first local contact, after that is diffuses fairly rapidly. How much benefit does someone in Ephrata get by buying something made in Georgia than made in Beijing? Some. Not a lot, but more than zero.
Now some of the stuff we sell is made in Seattle, or Portland, does that provide significantly more benefit that Georgia? Generally my customers perceive that to be the case. Made in the Pacific North West makes more of a difference to folks than Made in America.
---
Not sure why I bother to write all that but you folks were debating local versus import and the reality is, if you care about the place you are buying at then you should, if you do not then it doesn't matter. But more importantly, you can benefit significantly simply by understand your community network.
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And Oakley will replace your glasses if they break.apeman wrote:I think Oakley will replace any of their glasses you break, next time your friend does that, ask for the pieces.GrumpyCatFace wrote:I had a buddy in highschool that used to buy $100+ Oakleys. He'd show them off and strut around for a week, then they'd break, and I'd try not to laugh in his face.Martin Hash wrote:I buy $1 sunglasses.
p.s. Who the hell can afford $100 sunglasses?
Also, there is value to having polarized sunglasses, like, you know, $35 of value, not $100.
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I get polarized shades for around $20, max.The Conservative wrote:And Oakley will replace your glasses if they break.apeman wrote:I think Oakley will replace any of their glasses you break, next time your friend does that, ask for the pieces.GrumpyCatFace wrote:
I had a buddy in highschool that used to buy $100+ Oakleys. He'd show them off and strut around for a week, then they'd break, and I'd try not to laugh in his face.
Also, there is value to having polarized sunglasses, like, you know, $35 of value, not $100.
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Then you are part of the problem.GrumpyCatFace wrote:I get polarized shades for around $20, max.The Conservative wrote:And Oakley will replace your glasses if they break.apeman wrote:
I think Oakley will replace any of their glasses you break, next time your friend does that, ask for the pieces.
Also, there is value to having polarized sunglasses, like, you know, $35 of value, not $100.
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There is little to no benefit to me for buying domestically made sunglasses.
The $$$ argument is a slam dunk for imports.
The quality argument is next to zero, if you buy decent imports.
The service argument is next to zero, as I will not bother to claim the warranty.
The $$$ argument is a slam dunk for imports.
The quality argument is next to zero, if you buy decent imports.
The service argument is next to zero, as I will not bother to claim the warranty.
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That's your fault then. I buy things to last, not to throw away.nmoore63 wrote:There is little to no benefit to me for buying domestically made sunglasses.
The $$$ argument is a slam dunk for imports.
The quality argument is next to zero, if you buy decent imports.
The service argument is next to zero, as I will not bother to claim the warranty.
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Well the rest of America doesn't, and you want to hike their prices by forcing them to buy more expensive goods by embargoing the cheaper goods, this isn't about you looking out for America First, don't snow. Just because you feel it wouldn't hurt you to embargo China, that doesn't mean it isn't going to hurt other Americans, you just want to lash out against China and are willing to hurt other Americans in order to do it, because you are ignorant of the consequences of the actions you advocate. Not everyone thinks like you do, so stop projecting your own personal attitudes on all of America, because it's leads to faulty analysis.The Conservative wrote:That's your fault then. I buy things to last, not to throw away.nmoore63 wrote:There is little to no benefit to me for buying domestically made sunglasses.
The $$$ argument is a slam dunk for imports.
The quality argument is next to zero, if you buy decent imports.
The service argument is next to zero, as I will not bother to claim the warranty.
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