THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by The Conservative » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:42 am

Kath wrote:Surprise, surprise! The CONSERVATIVE stands for bigger government. :lol:
What do you think will happen when they work for the government? Drug tests, sobriety requirements, background checks, everything that we wanted when they started to suck off the tit of the state/fed. You kill two birds with one stone. Oh, and if you think these are going to be high paying jobs, yeah... I got a bridge to sell ya.

These are going to be manual labor, and entry-level positions, jobs that are needed to be filled, but haven't been because not enough people have applied for them.
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Post by Fife » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:45 am

Kath wrote:How do you drain the swamp? Increase the size of government, of course. No duh! #toomuchwinning

Trump’s top economist offers solution to unemployment: More government jobs
“We’ve not done a good job as a society at thinking about how do we take people who have become discouraged and reconnect them,” Hassett said in the latest edition of the “POLITICO Money” podcast. “And it’s such an urgent problem that government programs that directly hire people might be part of the solution.”
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:01 pm

Fife wrote:
Kath wrote:How do you drain the swamp? Increase the size of government, of course. No duh! #toomuchwinning

Trump’s top economist offers solution to unemployment: More government jobs
“We’ve not done a good job as a society at thinking about how do we take people who have become discouraged and reconnect them,” Hassett said in the latest edition of the “POLITICO Money” podcast. “And it’s such an urgent problem that government programs that directly hire people might be part of the solution.”
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It depends what kinds of jobs and programs we are talking about.

Increase the budget for the space program and put engineers back in charge. Change the mission back to colonization instead of science experiments. That could generate quite a lot of jobs and it should provide us with a positive return on our investment from mining and other exploitations of space resources.

Build a transportation infrastructure that uses maglev-based cargo pipeline network, that routes pallets in a similar fashion to how data packets are routed on the internet. Bury the pipeline across the nation. Help get us off of oil and free up the interstates.

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Post by Fife » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:04 pm

Are we going to homestead out the titles to parcels on the Moon, or is the Lunar Authority going to own all real property and the catapults as well?

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Fife wrote:Are we going to homestead out the titles to parcels on the Moon, or is the Lunar Authority going to own all real property and the catapults as well?

I am not talking about fiction. I am saying we could start mining rocks right the fuck now if we wanted to. Those things are valuable as fuck.

Our problem is that the political elites are dullards with absolutely no real ambition and vision whatsoever. Say what you want about Gingrich, and God knows he deserves it, but that mofo had vision when it came to colonization. If we elected him president, sure, a lot of shit would be on fire and several congressman would have blown their brains out by now, but we'd be on the way to mining and creating the next biggest revolution since the Spanish conquest of the New World.

We don't even need to send human beings to do this now. Just send ships with some kind of laser drill to Eros. Carve chunks out of the fucking thing, slap solar sails on the chunks with control and navigation computers for it to make the transit to Earth, and drop them onto the Moon for processing. That thing has more precious metals than the entire crust of planet Earth.

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Post by Fife » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:20 pm

I'm not talking fiction, either. Who is going to have title to all those precious metals? If we are going to treat mining as a public good, who gets title to the produce?

Is coal mining or oil drilling a public good?

I'm asking a serious question of you here; I'm interested in what the answers are.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:30 pm

Fife wrote:I'm not talking fiction, either. Who is going to have title to all those precious metals? If we are going to treat mining as a public good, who gets title to the produce?

Is coal mining or oil drilling a public good?

I'm asking a serious question of you here; I'm interested in what the answers are.

Whoever claims the rock, I suppose. If it's done by a government agency, then the federal government owns it. If you can raise the funds to get there and mine it yourself, then you can own it.

Have we not already dealt with this shit when we expanded west?

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Post by Fife » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:33 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fife wrote:I'm not talking fiction, either. Who is going to have title to all those precious metals? If we are going to treat mining as a public good, who gets title to the produce?

Is coal mining or oil drilling a public good?

I'm asking a serious question of you here; I'm interested in what the answers are.

Whoever claims the rock, I suppose. If it's done by a government agency, then the federal government owns it. If you can raise the funds to get there and mine it yourself, then you can own it.

Have we not already dealt with this shit when we expanded west?
Yes, of course; but it's all new an unimproved real property, all over again. Congress passed a law a couple or three years ago that set the stage for first-improver title for U.S. citizens, subject to treaties, UN bullshit, &c., IIRC.

I feel like I want to re-read Seveneves again already, even though it's just a couple of years old.

. . . and,

Another question: Is deflection of an asteroid on a collision course with Earth a public good? It seems like it is a pretty good dictionary definition thereof, as Smits would say. Makes for good contrast against things that aren't really public goods.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:36 pm

Fife wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fife wrote:I'm not talking fiction, either. Who is going to have title to all those precious metals? If we are going to treat mining as a public good, who gets title to the produce?

Is coal mining or oil drilling a public good?

I'm asking a serious question of you here; I'm interested in what the answers are.

Whoever claims the rock, I suppose. If it's done by a government agency, then the federal government owns it. If you can raise the funds to get there and mine it yourself, then you can own it.

Have we not already dealt with this shit when we expanded west?
Yes, of course; but it's all new real property, all over again. Congress passed a law a couple or three years ago that set the stage for first-improver title for U.S. citizens, subject to treaties, UN bullshit, &c., IIRC.

I feel like I want to re-read Seveneves again already, even though it's just a couple of years old.
It seems to me that we are best served by granting people property ownership of an asteroid if they can actually reach the site and they demonstrate an ability to actually mine it. I am not well-versed on terrestrial prospecting law, but I suspect the ability to process a claim depends upon you actually reaching the claim and then demonstrating the ability to mine it. I don't see why it should be any different in space.

But right now, the only way this can work at first is through the federal government working alongside private corporations in a joint venture. The payoff would be absolutely massive, though. I was not kidding about Eros 433. There is more gold in that fucking than we can ever possibly mine from the Earth's crust.

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Post by Fife » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:40 pm

It's been awhile since I've read anything on a space elevator. Is the nanotech and other material challenges on one of those going anywhere nowadays?