Game of Thrones - mostly

[StCapps]

Arya's time in Bravos was character development.

Yeah, but it was also an excuse to show more of Bravos and Essos on the TV, equal parts character development and worldbuilding failure on the Arya tip. Taking detours to uninteresting places so that a character can be saved for the endgame, are both world building and character development failures, and the show does this way too much to stall until the ending.

Bravos is the central bank and were the faceless men live, it was a great place to go. Game of thrones is about the world as much as it is about the characters. The opening theme is an unfolding map, it is literally a world building right in front of our eyes the world is a character in of itself maybe even the main character.

Yeah, and they fuck the balance up, and go overboard on the worldbuilding, at the expense of the characters, far too often. The Wire nailed that balance, shows that try to imitate the depth of worldbuilding that The Wire did, often neglect the characters to make the attempt, and fail on both counts, GoT falls into that trap.

Arya's time in Bravos was straight up boring. The bank is interesting, but don't need to waste screen time in Bravos to see their workings throughout Westeros. Less of Essos in general, would have been a wise decision for the show.

[clubgop]

Yeah, but it was also an excuse to show more of Bravos and Essos on the TV, equal parts character development and worldbuilding failure on the Arya tip. Taking detours to uninteresting places so that a character can be saved for the endgame, are both world building and character development failures, and the show does this way too much to stall until the ending.

Bravos is the central bank and were the faceless men live, it was a great place to go. Game of thrones is about the world as much as it is about the characters. The opening theme is an unfolding map, it is literally a world building right in front of our eyes the world is a character in of itself maybe even the main character.

Yeah, and they fuck the balance up, and go overboard on the worldbuilding, at the expense of the characters, far too often.

Arya's time in Bravos was straight up boring. The bank is interesting, but don't need to waste screen time in Bravos to see their workings throughout Westeros. Less of Essos in general, would have been a wise decision for the show.

Yeah, her time in Qarth is essential, she becomes the mother of dragons, then her Baberham Lincoln bit could have been trimmed, but that moment when she unites the Dothraki and proves herself a Targaryen is also necessary.

[StCapps]

Yeah, her time in Qarth is essential, she becomes the mother of dragons, then her Baberham Lincoln bit could have been trimmed, but that moment when she unites the Dothraki and proves herself a Targaryen is also necessary.

I didn't say "No Essos", I said, "Less Essos". In this case, less really would have been more.

[clubgop]

Yeah, her time in Qarth is essential, she becomes the mother of dragons, then her Baberham Lincoln bit could have been trimmed, but that moment when she unites the Dothraki and proves herself a Targaryen is also necessary.

I didn't say "No Essos", I said, "Less Essos". In this case, less really would have been more.

Yes, her whole story arc has been way too long yet provides the best singular moments in the series.

[StCapps]

Yeah, her time in Qarth is essential, she becomes the mother of dragons, then her Baberham Lincoln bit could have been trimmed, but that moment when she unites the Dothraki and proves herself a Targaryen is also necessary.

I didn't say "No Essos", I said, "Less Essos". In this case, less really would have been more.

Yes, her whole story arc has been way too long yet provides the best singular moments in the series.

If they just tightened the focus on those great moments, and took out more of the filler, I would like Daenarys far more than I do. Benioff and Weiss don't give her the shine she deserves, because of their love of worldbuilding filler, which makes the audience care less about her part of the story and want to get back to Westeros. The way B&W treat Dany is indicative of all the biggest problems that the show has in a nutshell.

[Kath]

What bothers you the most about GoT?

For me it's the notion that every soldier wears armor all the time, followed closely by no one but redshirts wears hats, even in fucking blizzards beyond the wall. It's not like people can't follow action of people in hats, we watched westerns for decades!

Extremely unlikely events that help characters.

Jorah & Daario leave Mereen to go find the queen. In the middle of absolutely nowhere, rolling hills and mountains, Jorah gets off his horse at a random location, looking at miles and miles of grass, and BAM, exactly where he's standing just happens to be hidden, in the tall grass, Dany's ring. Uh-maze-ing.

[brewster]

Extremely unlikely events that help characters.

Jorah & Daario leave Mereen to go find the queen. In the middle of absolutely nowhere, rolling hills and mountains, Jorah gets off his horse at a random location, looking at miles and miles of grass, and BAM, exactly where he's standing just happens to be hidden, in the tall grass, Dany's ring. Uh-maze-ing.

Hmmm, actually not as extreme as you make out, it's not like it's the Great Plains, it's a valley. Frequently terrain dictates certain routes are how you get around, that they would cross a Dothraki trail is not shocking, nor that Dany climbing down off a mountain and heading along the path of least resistance would be in a traveled valley eventually.

[heydaralon]

The best part was Dorne and the Sandviper and her Daughters. Good character development AND some of the few characters that were actually written true to the books. Really captivating how they told a tale of a mother who would do anything to avenge her daughters and how Jaime and Bronn had to rescue family as well. Great tv!

Haha. If you had to punish someone by keeping their eyelids upon and they were on speed.but taped to a chair what would be the best torture tv to force feed them and keep them up all night and day to? What would really suck to you ?

I hope they wrap up Westeros stuff in the first episode, and spent the remainder of the final season in Essos.

Any of those NCIS/House/Bones type shows would have me climbing the walls tbh. Big Bang Theory would have me in a straight jacket. Pretty much anything that is not on HBO these days, and at least half of what is.

[GloryofGreece]

The best part was Dorne and the Sandviper and her Daughters. Good character development AND some of the few characters that were actually written true to the books. Really captivating how they told a tale of a mother who would do anything to avenge her daughters and how Jaime and Bronn had to rescue family as well. Great tv!

Haha. If you had to punish someone by keeping their eyelids upon and they were on speed.but taped to a chair what would be the best torture tv to force feed them and keep them up all night and day to? What would really suck to you ?

I hope they wrap up Westeros stuff in the first episode, and spent the remainder of the final season in Essos.

Any of those NCIS/House/Bones type shows would have me climbing the walls tbh. Big Bang Theory would have me in a straight jacket. Pretty much anything that is not on HBO these days, and at least half of what is.

Hey man you don't like the character development if House or CSI Miami?

[brewster]

Any of those NCIS/House/Bones type shows would have me climbing the walls tbh. Big Bang Theory would have me in a straight jacket. Pretty much anything that is not on HBO these days, and at least half of what is.

I'm with you, fuck procedurals. Only thing worse is the supernatural buddy procedural. Cop and zombie. Cop and Ichabod Crane. Cop and Satan. Cop and immortal doctor. Cop and vampire. Sadly, I could go on!